The Avalyn Digest Thu Apr 24, 1997 Volume 2 : Issue 07 There are 37 messages totalling 813 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Mojave 3 where are you? 2. To those requesting videos ... 3. slowdive fans 4. New SPIRITUALIZED info!!! (2) 5. Fwd: Amnesia 6. flash! 7. WANTED: Mouse on Mars "Frosch" 8. new album??? (2) 9. new mojave 10. Early Slowdive (5) 11. re-releases (5) 12. things on slowdive 13. Here's what I WANT! 14. Mojave3 `Sarah` Chords 15. I NEED JAMIROQUAI AND SUEDE TICKETS 16. Lost Slowdive Songs? (2) 17. slowdive b-sides (4) 18. Mojave T-Shirts 19. illegalities, copyrights, etc.... (2) 20. slowdive paraphernalia 21. Aloof Proof 22. SOUNDS FILES !!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:50:39 -0500 From: Matt/Summer Holiday Subject: Mojave 3 where are you? When...when...when... is the new album coming out??? someone help me please! -matt -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:33:11 CST From: timethief@juno.com (Luis B. Abcede) Subject: To those requesting videos ... Due to the overwhelming response as anticipated, I can only respond to a limited number at a time. However, I will keep all of your email addresses on file until I am ready to make deals again. I WILL reply to all the requests once I am ready. Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone, but I'm sure you all understand. Thanks for all your interest, Luis --------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Nectarland@aol.com Subject: slowdive fans for anyone who is on this list - if you havent already heard them then please hurry to your local music store and pick up 7% solution this is a very cool band. just thought everyone should experience it enjoy mykl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:14:43 -0400 From: darkstar Subject: New SPIRITUALIZED info!!! Hey there, Just got the following info from NME.COM ===================================== SPIRITUALIZED return with a new album, 'Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space', at the end of May. The album, the follow-up to 1995's 'Pure Phase', features 11 tracks, including 'Cop Shoot Cop' which is 16 minutes long. Tracks to be featured are 'I Think I'm In Love', 'All Of My Thoughts', 'Stay With Me', 'Electricity', 'Home Of The Brave', 'The Individual', 'Broken Heart', 'No God Only Religion', 'Cool Waves', 'Come Together' and 'Cop Shoot Cop'. Guests on the record include New Orleans psychedelic/R&B legend Dr John, who plays piano on 'Cop Shoot Shop', the Balanescu String Quartet and the London Gospel Community Choir. ===================================== Cheers, Jason Paris :) ------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Moonstar9@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Amnesia just thought some of you would want to know this... Jared --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Amnesia Date: 97-04-08 03:24:39 EDT From: Blugumbal Girls and Boys, Ladies and Gentlemen, Cats and Dogs, Humans and Zombies Just wanted to drop you a line to let you know about this great new band called AMNESIA. It's Brad Laner's (masterbrain of Medicine) new project. The album is titled Cherry Flavor Night Time and it is available for a limited time (the first 2k) as a double CD, including his drum and bass or should I say electronica alterego Electric Company decomposition of the Amnesia songs. A total of 11 songs range from eye licking pop grandeur to total musical chaos. Go visit the Amnesia website and enter to win the disk at: www.supreme-recordings.com ------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: jones thomas Subject: flash! gang, Jack Rabid [jrabid@aol.com] just mentioned to me that Rachel Goswell has a guest editorial in the next issue of The Big Takeover [http://members.aol.com/bigtake] coming out next week.... Tom in Bawlmer --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:23:17 -0500 (EST) From: bob Subject: Re: New SPIRITUALIZED info!!! On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, darkstar wrote: > Hey there, > > Just got the following info from NME.COM > > ===================================== > SPIRITUALIZED return with a new album, 'Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating > In Space', at the end of May. The album, the follow-up to 1995's 'Pure > Phase', features 11 tracks, including 'Cop Shoot Cop' which is 16 minutes > long. Tracks to be featured are 'I Think I'm In Love', 'All Of My Thoughts', > 'Stay With Me', 'Electricity', 'Home Of The Brave', 'The Individual', > 'Broken Heart', 'No God Only Religion', 'Cool > Waves', 'Come Together' and 'Cop Shoot Cop'. Are "Stay With Me" and "The Individual" the same tracks that were put on the "Let It Flow" disc 1 cd single? -Bob ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:12:40 -0500 From: mps2@cec.wustl.edu (Michael Peter Stein) Subject: WANTED: Mouse on Mars "Frosch" Slowdivers: I hate to waste bandwidth again with my wantlists, but I've tried about every other mailing list on this one (idm and 4ad) multiple times. Anyway I've been looking for two years of the Mouse on Mars "Frosch" CD EP. Can anyone help me find this?? Would anyone sell theirs???! -Mike ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:17:41 CDT From: Timmer Subject: new album??? Howday, everyone... Its been sooooo quiet, I figured I'd send a message to wake everyone up :) A long time ago, I heard word of a new mojave3 album *yes!* coming about sometime in April... well, its April :) Anyone have any news??? Will there be any singles? EPs???? Tim -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:44:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Melochrome@aol.com Subject: new mojave the new mojave album is scheduled for a september '97 release. and unfortunately, it appears that 4ad have no plans to release an e.p. before the release of the new lp. hope this helps... -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:20:35 -0600 From: Justin_Bowers@BAYLOR.EDU Subject: Re: new album??? >Howday, everyone... >Its been sooooo quiet, I figured I'd send a message to wake everyone up :) > >A long time ago, I heard word of a new mojave3 album *yes!* coming >about sometime in April... well, its April :) Anyone have any news??? >Will there be any singles? EPs???? They are currently in the studio (or getting ready to be in the studio) working on the new album. My contact at 4ad said that it will be quite a while (November or so) before the new one comes out. Hopefully I can wait. -=justin=- -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:40:08 +1000 From: Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Early Slowdive Greetings, I've had a copy of the Sunday Flexi for a while now and i was wondering if anyone knew who held the rights and the tapes for these songs. The quality of the two songs (Beach Song, Take Me Down) are really shit on the flexi, but i would rate Beach Song as one of Slowdive's top 5 of all time. Maybe if Rachel is reading this, could i suggest a Mailing List/Fan Club release only, as these songs are difinative and truely worthy of a CD release. Also, i had a friend tell me that they saw 3 Slowdive bootlegs on CD at a record fair, but have also been told (from a good source in the bootlegging industry) that there were never any released at all. Can anyone clear this up? Bring on the new Mojave 3 album! Anthony. 932228@bud.swin.edu.au "Smoke and listen to the noise" ------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:38:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: Early Slowdive > I've had a copy of the Sunday Flexi for a while now and i was > wondering if anyone knew who held the rights and the tapes for these songs. > The quality of the two songs (Beach Song, Take Me Down) are really shit on > the flexi, but i would rate Beach Song as one of Slowdive's top 5 of all > time. Maybe if Rachel is reading this, could i suggest a Mailing List/Fan > Club release only, as these songs are difinative and truely worthy of a CD > release. YESYESYES!!!!!! I have mentioned this on the indiepop-list, where list members were supposed to throw together a CD comp of OOP songs, and the floor was open for suggestions - and of course my 1st suggestions were to release these songs on CD! I always wondered what they would sound like on clear, crisp quality! ***RACHEL, WHERE ARE YOU!?!?!?!?!****** Help us! I would actually release these on my record label in a heartbeat if I was allowed to! Who "owns" these songs? Alfred of Sunday? Slowdive? Creation? Who?!?!?! Very curious now... Daniel ---------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:52:15 -0500 (CDT) From: sara Subject: re-releases some time ago someone mentioned that a whole bunch of slowdive was going to be re-released...did that include blue day and holding our breath? if i does where can i get these? sara --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: re-releases > some time ago someone mentioned that a whole bunch of slowdive was going > to be re-released...did that include blue day and holding our breath? > if i does where can i get these? I think just Morningrise was rereleased, along with Just For a Day (on vinyl, at least). Daniel --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:56:39 PDT From: "michael nicki barrett" Subject: things on slowdive Its great to see slowidve is alive. I have some stuff to sell, ok first I've got Morningrise cd and might have soon a copy of (uk)souvlaki cd send offers to , Duophonic@hotmail.com. I have also got some recordings to trade I've got the live slowdive tape (the one they put out to pay for their us tour) and the 7" of eternal the band that first drummer came from very slowdive sounding almost to slowdive sounding.will trade for MBV bootlegs of slowdive booties. Also has anyone heard of Telescopes anther fine creation band no longer with us. I have alot of their stuff also got a live cd from the early years I would trade recordings of these for anyone to(I also would like to chat to anyone who has heard of them or anyone else on the subject of shoe gazing). I also have alot of ather bands stuff (mbv frist 2 lps,pale saints,lush ect) so if anyone wants some recordings drop us a line. keep on doing what your doing. michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:39:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Early Slowdive On: Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> wrote about: Early Slowdive > I've had a copy of the Sunday Flexi for a while now and i was wondering if > anyone knew who held the rights and the tapes for these songs. The quality > of the two songs (Beach Song, Take Me Down) are really shit on the flexi, > but i would rate Beach Song as one of Slowdive's top 5 of all time. Maybe > if Rachel is reading this, could i suggest a Mailing List/Fan Club release > only, as these songs are difinative and truely worthy of a CD release. That's a really good idea you've got there. Unfortunately, Rachel has been kind of "gone" from the list (and replying to at least my e-mail) for almost six months now, so I'm have no clue to what is happening - no news, no stories, nothing. I don't even know if she ever reads her e-mail these days or not. Her mailbox was swamped with e-mail about four months ago, so I had to remove her from the "normal" version of this list - though she's still a subscriber of the Digest version. So I guess this is kind of a "Hello Rachel?" message... I hope she'll be back soon. - Oh, and regarding the Slowdive CD bootlegs - I've been actively looking for such bootlegs ever since I first heard the band and I've never seen one, heard about one or even a rumor that one would exist. I did see someone's message about one on the 4AD list the other day (last week), but I think it's just a homemade copy of a live tape/DAT/MD recording. It's extremely easy to make covers and make CDs these days... //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:40:56 +1000 From: Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: Early Slowdive > That's a really good idea you've got there. Unfortunately, Rachel has been > kind of "gone" from the list (and replying to at least my e-mail) for > almost six months now, so I'm have no clue to what is happening - no > news, no stories, nothing. I don't even know if she ever reads her e-mail > these days or not. Her mailbox was swamped with e-mail about four months > ago, so I had to remove her from the "normal" version of this list - > though she's still a subscriber of the Digest version. Rachel actually replied to my email, but with a cc to around 50 other people just about a month ago. I guess it would take a long time to reply to all those messages individually though. > ....but I think it's just a homemade copy of a live tape/DAT/MD recording. > It's extremely easy to make covers and make CDs these days... I had a feeling that this was the case. I'm about to do it myself to preserve some of my rare taped bootlegs (doing covers and all!). Anthony. 932228@bud.swin.edu.au --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:43:46 +1000 From: Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: re-releases At 12:11 PM 4/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >> some time ago someone mentioned that a whole bunch of slowdive was going >> to be re-released...did that include blue day and holding our breath? >> if i does where can i get these? > > I think just Morningrise was rereleased, along with Just For a Day (on > vinyl, at least). I tend to agree with that. There are quite a few copies of Morningrise floating around at the moment. I picked one up for US $10, so now i have a vinyl and a CD copy! Anthony. 932228@bud.swin.edu.au ----------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:55:21 +1000 (EST) From: KRATHYN WHITE Subject: Re: Early Slowdive hello there one and all. My name is Krathyn and i assume that this is the Ayalyn digest for slowdive????? well i have been a slowdive fan for YONKS and was excited and elated when i found that there was actually a mailing ;list for the band. I live in Australia which is ok but it's hard to get anthing by way of very early singles eps etc etc. So if there is anyone out there who would be kind enough to reply to me with the possability of some kind of sale, please feel more than free to do so.... remember i hear your voice but it can't bring me back..... (ahhhhh). thanks krathyn.... --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:35:35 +1000 (EST) From: KRATHYN WHITE Subject: Here's what I WANT! ok kids. Here is a list of what i really want: Slowdive ep Holding onto our breath ep and/or Blue Day ep. If anyone has any live stuff, that would be cool too. Yours in ethereal ambience (lovesliescrushing continue to dazzle and amaze me) krathyn the self professed noise king of Ipswich! *kiss* ----------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:11:49 -0400 (EDT) From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com Subject: Mojave3 `Sarah` Chords Hi! For anyone who`s interested, here are the chords for `Sarah` by Mojave 3 Verses... e.g. Sarah I can`t see you D G e.t.c. Until... But I Can`t hide F#m G Then... Lay your love on me Bm A G I also think that `Erik`s Song` by Slowdive (The one looped sample of an aeroplane flying over?) is possibly inspired by Erik Satie and his piece `Trois Gymnopedies` (1888). There is a very similar sound and ambience! Any ideas? Can anyone else here people talking or murmuringon the end of `Crazy for You` on Pygmalion, it`s really wierd! Cheers Nick ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:21:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: re-releases On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> wrote about: re-releases >>> some time ago someone mentioned that a whole bunch of slowdive was going >>> to be re-released...did that include blue day and holding our breath? >>> if i does where can i get these? >> >> I think just Morningrise was rereleased, along with Just For a Day (on >> vinyl, at least). > > I tend to agree with that. There are quite a few copies of Morningrise > floating around at the moment. I picked one up for US $10, so now i have > a vinyl and a CD copy! Did Creation really re-release the singles as well? I'm sure that they re-released the albums (not Blue Day), though they didn't say anything about the singles. //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:02:23 +1000 From: Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: re-releases >> I tend to agree with that. There are quite a few copies of Morningrise >> floating around at the moment. I picked one up for US $10, so now i have >> a vinyl and a CD copy! > >Did Creation really re-release the singles as well? I'm sure that they >re-released the albums (not Blue Day), though they didn't say anything >about the singles. Well the copy of Morningrise i picked up has a slightly darker front cover than that of my 12" copy, and also my friend's who bought his when it was released. All three are UK releases, so I'd assume a re-pressing would account for the change in shade of the cover. Anthony. 932228@bud.swin.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Moonstar9@aol.com Subject: I NEED JAMIROQUAI AND SUEDE TICKETS if you are or know someone selling suede and/ or jamiroquai tickets for their NYC shows please tell me...i really want tickets thanks a lot, Jared moonstar9@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:06:22 +1000 From: Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Lost Slowdive Songs? Greetings, Just received an early Slowdive bootleg (thanks Jason), and out of the 9 songs on the tape, 4 of them i have never heard before, and i have everything Slowdive has ever released. I assume two of them would be Joy and Colours In Spin which i have seen listed in another bootleg track listing from around tis time. Were these songs ever recorded in the studio? All four are brilliant, and are along the lines of the Morningrise EP and also in the vein of Albatross. I could only hope that someone would put out a CD with all of these un-released tracks on it, and also the ones off the Sunday flexi. Then life would be so much better. I can only dream. Anthony. 932228@bud.swin.edu.au ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:27:44 CDT From: Timmer Subject: slowdive b-sides on the subject of a Slowdive cd with nothing but un-released b-sides.... it wouldn't be that hard to do REALLy... once someone found the material, all we'd have to do is burn our own cds... I know I have access to a cd-r, and I'm sure others do too... why don't we work on this.. I know I'm DYING, to hear some of this stuff... :) also, what would everyone think about a newsgroup/mailing-list shirt??? I've never even seen a slowdive or mojave 3 shirt.... I know I'd buy one... :) just a thought... Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:28:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gregory KURZ A208 P5655 STERIA Subject: slowdive b-sides Timmer writes: > > on the subject of a Slowdive cd with nothing but un-released b-sides.... > > it wouldn't be that hard to do REALLy... once someone found the material, > all we'd have to do is burn our own cds... I know I have access to a cd-r, > and I'm sure others do too... why don't we work on this.. I know I'm DYING, > to hear some of this stuff... :) > > also, what would everyone think about a newsgroup/mailing-list shirt??? > I've never even seen a slowdive or mojave 3 shirt.... I know I'd buy one... > :) just a thought... > > > Tim Yeah, it sounds great. I'm currently trying to sample a tape from a French noisy band in order to burn it on a CD. It's not too hard but it's quite time-consumming : once the sample is made, you need to do a lot of things before burning, like filtering the white noise or sampling again because you fucked up during the first try :) If I succeed, I'll be very glad to do it with some Slowdive stuff. -=GrEg=- Note: I've got the Sunday flexi but I don't have a LP player... :-) ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:29:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: slowdive b-sides > on the subject of a Slowdive cd with nothing but un-released b-sides.... > > it wouldn't be that hard to do REALLy... once someone found the material, > all we'd have to do is burn our own cds... I know I have access to a cd-r, > and I'm sure others do too... why don't we work on this.. I know I'm DYING, > to hear some of this stuff... :) Yes, but that wouldn't be quite legal...or moral...or something! Anyhow, I have wanted to look into this for quite some time now, but our only hope would be Rachel herself, and according to Erik (I think) her e-mail is all screwey. Anyhow, I would definately front ALL costs to get something like this released on my label, but there's just no way....al we can all do is dream. At least for now... Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Milan D. Brych" Subject: Re: Mojave T-Shirts Tim: Although I'm not knocking your idea of a T-shirt, there is a Mojave shirt which was sold on the Shaving the Pavement tour. It looks like a country western T-shirt though (guitar on front). The CD idea is brilliant! Milan -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:54:38 -0400 From: avalyn@chesco.com Subject: Re: slowdive b-sides You can't just put whatever songs on a cd and sell it. Well you can but it's illegal. I've seen slowdive and mojave shirts. They sold em at the shows. The coolest one is the long sleeve navy blue one that says slowdive on the front and souvlaki139 on the back. bye ryan -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:51:37 -0400 From: avalyn@chesco.com Subject: Re: Lost Slowdive Songs? What are some of the lyrics from the songs? I have two songs that were gotten from the supposed girlfriend of Nick. One talks about "the silver screen" and the says something about the sun. bye ryan --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:49:46 CDT From: Timmer Subject: illegalities, copyrights, etc.... Okay... some people have expressed concerns with the legaility of making a ng/mailing-list shirt and/or cd... I know other mailing lists have shirts (I have a nin, and Tori Amos and a good friend has a Depeche Mode)... Since these shirts would be for "members" of a group or club, I doubt there'd be any real problems with copyrights (as long as its promoting the _mailing list_, not the band)... we wouldn't have to use any logos, we could make our own... a slogan, even... I dunno... I immagine that the idea of a cd falls under the same principle, that as longs as its beeing distubuted within the group and not being advertized, there probably won't be a problem... the Garbage mailing list recently put out a cd with some unreleased mixes... Any other personal thoughts??? Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:09:57 -0400 From: David Moyle Subject: slowdive paraphernalia dear folks, we've all made a smiths or my bloody valentine bumper sticker at one stage or another, haven't we? i'm not convinced that it's taking vast sums of revenue from the artists, and so long as it's not a venture to line your own pockets, I'd say go ahead and get that swirly eerie transfer ironed on your sleeves tomorrow morning. Or you can purchase my now-decrepid 1995 official tour t-shirt (unsigned by all band members) for $1.35 including postage and handling. Does anyone else find it kind of off-putting to see another person wearing the t-shirt of a band you thought were suitably obscure? The time I found Souvlaki & Pygmalion in the bargain bin of Australia's biggest and most commercial music shop I almost wept. A definite rug-being-pulled-from-underneath-me sensation. David --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:43:17 -0400 From: David Moyle Subject: Aloof Proof Hello people. I've recently become entrenched in Aloof Proof and wonder if anyone knows off the top of their head where the sample "The world will not be the same I remember, mine turned into scripture by the book peter(?) now I have become restless the destroyer of wills(?) i suppose we all thought that one way or another" comes from at the seventeen minute mark in Abrupt Carnage. Or whether I've even managed to get a single word of it right! I'm stumped! thanks. David --------------------------------- Date: Wed Apr 23 18:24:26 1997 From: Gregorio Samsa Subject: SOUNDS FILES !!! Hi there !! i would like to know if anybody have or know where i can gfind MIDI files from great bands like Cocteau Twins, SeeFeel, Slowdive, ..etc.. please emailm me , G.Samsa. --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:21:25 -0600 (CST) From: Brad Nicholson Subject: Re: illegalities, copyrights, etc.... On the Curve mailing list, someone put together a CD comp. of all Curve rarities, and he didn't run into any legal problems. I think that the important point, morally at least, would be that whoever complies the disc sells it a break even price. It's really no different than sending someone money for a blank tape and postage for a bootleg, except it costs slightly more, and you get much better sound quality. We're talking about compling stuff that is not commercially available, and distributing it among a select group of fans. I see no problem with that. brad On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Timmer wrote: > > I immagine that the idea of a cd falls under the same principle, > that as longs as its beeing distubuted within the group and not being > advertized, there probably won't be a problem... the Garbage mailing list > recently put out a cd with some unreleased mixes... > > Any other personal thoughts??? > Tim ---------------------------------- End of The Avalyn Digest #2.07 ****************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request (including the word "DIGEST") to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Live version of the list, send your request to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of both mailing lists is chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at owner-avalyn@lysator.liu.se * All messages to the Live mailing list should be sent to: avalyn@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in in ASCII format at ftp.lysator.liu.se /pub/texts/uxu/avalyn and in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html.