scan-indie-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 8 25 Nov 1997 Today's Topics: Re: 120 minutes & M2 Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music Re: Nordman again?! Re: 120 minutes & M2 Re: Bob Hund, kraut and Kaare and the Cavemen 8-bit characters (was: Re: Bob Hund.) RE: Bob Hund. Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music Re: Bob Hund. Re: Nordman again?! Re: Nordman again?! Re: 120 minutes & M2 Re: 120 minutes & M2 Re: 120 minutes & M2 Re: 120 minutes & M2 Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music Istaellet foer Bob Hund Re: Bob Hund. Re: Bob Hund. Re: Bob Hund. Re: Nordman again?! Re: Bob Hund. Re: Kent Re: Nordman again?! Re: Kent Re: Nordman again?! Swe char, etc Re: Kent Swe char, etc Re. Nordman again?! (More) Bob Hund Re: (More) Bob Hund Re: (More) Bob Hund Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Scandinavian Indie Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: scan-indie-d-request@lysator.liu.se * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Scandinavian Indie mailing list: * use the address: scan-indie@lysator.liu.se Digest back issues can be found in the [SID] section at the Scan-Indie website: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/scan.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:00:14 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2 At 02:49 1997-11-24 -0500, mqo4365@is4.nyu.edu (Martin Olson) wrote: [on MTV US "120 Minutes"] > Hapilly, a friend of mine works at Arista records and gets a list >of what videos are going to be played each week so I kinda know whether >it's even worth taping it. : ) MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the guys who worked there are still around. //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:05:58 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music At 08:36 1997-11-24 +0100, "Barczinski, Reiner, WAC" wrote: > 2.) Nordman -> Oh, yes, that's always the problem ... > > a.) when you want to listen to a native-singing band ... you don't have > the problems with the lyrics how silly/bad they may be ... but the sounds > was like something I wanted to hear ... not international indie, just > something more scandinavian-like (Hey, I don't want to offend you! NOBODY > listen to his own countries-"folk"/native music, I know ... ;) ). I, as a > tourist, even like the dances in Dalarna, or Finland, but would never put > an eye on german dances like that ... you understand, what I mean? You know, that is true. Almost at least. Bands like Hedningarna and Garmarna are quite popular here, even though they do play Swedish/ Finnish/Lap folk/native music. Though from what I understand, they are more popular in other countries. //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:08:04 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: Nordman again?! At 09:25 1997-11-24 +0100, "Barczinski, Reiner, WAC" wrote: >I'm sorry to mention this again ... but I've to know more, when the >topic "Nazis" or something like that is coming up ... is something more >to know about the band in this context, except the runes they're using? >SO, if I don't have problems with the quality, I would have problems >listening to them when they've something to do with this ideology ... I for one have never heard anything about Nordman being connected in some way to the Nazi movement. But then again, I haven't really been following Nordman's career. //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:15:02 -0800 From: svenskax@sfsu.edu Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2 you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right? At 01:00 AM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 02:49 1997-11-24 -0500, mqo4365@is4.nyu.edu (Martin Olson) wrote: > >[on MTV US "120 Minutes"] >> Hapilly, a friend of mine works at Arista records and gets a list >>of what videos are going to be played each week so I kinda know whether >>it's even worth taping it. : ) > >MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send >out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who >were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby >quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the >guys who worked there are still around. > > //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:11:05 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: Bob Hund, kraut and Kaare and the Cavemen At 11:30 1997-11-24 +-100, Mikael Fant wrote: > And K#ln (Can et al) is just around the corner. Hrrrmm.. //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:18:47 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: 8-bit characters (was: Re: Bob Hund.) At 11:55 1997-11-24 +0200, johanna.hillgren@natverkstan.net wrote: >All the talk about bob hund/Kraftwerk: >I think I heard that Thomas Oberg (LOOK ERIK! I REMEMBERED TO CHANGE THE >"YOU KNOW LETTER" TO AN O. Good girl, good girl) Extremely good girl, I'd say. ;-) But seriously, perhaps it is time to check out if all subscribers really _can_ receive 8-bit characters or not? Does anyone know that they can't receive 8-bit ASCII ? Send your reply to me personally if that is the case. //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:22:47 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: RE: Bob Hund. At 12:54 1997-11-24 -0000, Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7 wrote: >It must also be said that to compare Bob Hund to Kent in any way would >be like finding a connection between a Rolls Royce and a child's rusty >tricycle (with a wheel missing.). Agreed. When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure. //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:22:53 +0200 From: Micke Rehnstrom Subject: Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music Barczinski, Reiner wrote about NORDMAN: >but the sounds was like something I wanted to hear ... not international >indie, just something more scandinavian-like (Hey, I don't want to >offend you! NOBODY listen to his own countries-"folk"/native music, I >know ... ;) ). If you like to listen to "modernized" Scandinavian folk music there are, at least, three bands I would recommend instead of Nordman. All three of them start with old folk songs and try to place them in the 20th century. HEDNINGARNA and GARMARNA are both Swedish bands. They are quite close to the old tradition of Swedish folk music, just adding a few electric guitars here and there. Both are neat live acts too. They should be available in Germany too, at least I have spoken to German exchange students who knew about these bands. SORTEN MULD are from Denmark. They turn folk songs into techno, sometimes stumbling and falling into the "eurotechno" trap (as in the single release "Ravnen") but it sometimes sound very beautiful, mostly thanks to the female vocalist who has a wonderful voice. /Micke ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:27:07 +0200 From: Micke Rehnstrom Subject: Re: Bob Hund. Mats L wrote: >Can and Kraftwerk, especially Kraftwerk is one of the biggest influences >that they have. Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB HUND, has also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired bands/projects. OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot remember the name of it. /Micke ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:37:22 +0200 From: Micke Rehnstrom Subject: Re: Nordman again?! Petter Tiilikainen wrote: >Maybe this is a bit theoretical, but consider a band that >are convinced antisemites, still making the most incredible music (yeah >, I'm not talking Ultima Thule or Skrewdriver here). Would it be very >wrong to like that band? Personally, I don't think so. It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like. Just hate them too much. /Micke ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:52:11 -0800 From: svenskax@sfsu.edu Subject: Re: Nordman again?! hey guys can i get in your discussion? At 01:37 AM 11/25/97 +0200, you wrote: >Petter Tiilikainen wrote: >>Maybe this is a bit theoretical, but consider a band that >>are convinced antisemites, still making the most incredible music (yeah >>, I'm not talking Ultima Thule or Skrewdriver here). Would it be very >>wrong to like that band? Personally, I don't think so. > >It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I >know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the >music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would >never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like. >Just hate them too much. > >/Micke ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:50:32 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2 At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote: >> MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send >> out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who >> were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby >> quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the >> guys who worked there are still around. > > you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right? Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then? //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:05:24 -0800 From: svenskax@sfsu.edu Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2 At 01:50 AM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote: > >>> MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send >>> out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who >>> were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby >>> quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the >>> guys who worked there are still around. >> >> you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right? > >Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he >never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I >didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then? >HE HAS THIS SHOW THAT SUCKS. THEY SHOW VIDEOS THAT ARE EXTREMELY POPULAR AND THEY SUCK BIG TIME. I THINK NOW HE IS ON SOME SHOW CALLED "LIVE". IT'S NOT LIVE THOUGH. THEY HAVE GUESTS LIKE ALYSA MILANO AND MOST TIMES ALL MTV VJ'S ARE THERE WITH HIM SO IT'S NOT REALLY HIS SHOW. ANYWAYS HE AND HIS SHOW SUCK. ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:36:35 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2 At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote: >>> you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right? >> >> Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he >> never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I >> didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then? > > HE HAS THIS SHOW THAT SUCKS. THEY SHOW VIDEOS THAT ARE EXTREMELY POPULAR > AND THEY SUCK BIG TIME. I THINK NOW HE IS ON SOME SHOW CALLED "LIVE". IT'S > NOT LIVE THOUGH. THEY HAVE GUESTS LIKE ALYSA MILANO AND MOST TIMES ALL MTV > VJ'S ARE THERE WITH HIM SO IT'S NOT REALLY HIS SHOW. ANYWAYS HE AND HIS > SHOW SUCK. Are you sure you wanted to SCREAM that? //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:52:59 -0800 From: svenskax@sfsu.edu Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2 i did not scream anything. and i know what you are going to say. just a way to distinguish. At 02:36 AM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote: > >>>> you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right? >>> >>> Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he >>> never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I >>> didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then? >> >> HE HAS THIS SHOW THAT SUCKS. THEY SHOW VIDEOS THAT ARE EXTREMELY POPULAR >> AND THEY SUCK BIG TIME. I THINK NOW HE IS ON SOME SHOW CALLED "LIVE". IT'S >> NOT LIVE THOUGH. THEY HAVE GUESTS LIKE ALYSA MILANO AND MOST TIMES ALL MTV >> VJ'S ARE THERE WITH HIM SO IT'S NOT REALLY HIS SHOW. ANYWAYS HE AND HIS >> SHOW SUCK. > >Are you sure you wanted to SCREAM that? > > //Erik ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:40:27 +0000 From: "Siim Kalder" Subject: Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music > > 2.) Nordman -> Oh, yes, that's always the problem ... > > > > a.) when you want to listen to a native-singing band ... you don't have > > the problems with the lyrics how silly/bad they may be ... but the sounds > > was like something I wanted to hear ... not international indie, just > > something more scandinavian-like (Hey, I don't want to offend you! NOBODY > > listen to his own countries-"folk"/native music, I know ... ;) ). I, as a > > tourist, even like the dances in Dalarna, or Finland, but would never put > > an eye on german dances like that ... you understand, what I mean? > > You know, that is true. Almost at least. Bands like Hedningarna and > Garmarna are quite popular here, even though they do play Swedish/ > Finnish/Lap folk/native music. Though from what I understand, they > are more popular in other countries. Yeap, gotta confirm this one - after Garmarna played on a pop-folk (not sure abuot this classification though) fest down here in Estonia last year and Hedningarna this year, they are quite well known. And popular. Gotta admit, I find them pretty good myself. However, I don't have anything against the experiments made here with Estonian folk neither. Siim siimk@ut.ee ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:48:02 +0100 (MET) From: "Erik S." Subject: Istaellet foer Bob Hund On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Micke Rehnstrom wrote: >Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB HUND, >has also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired bands/projects. >OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot >remember the name of it. Howabout INSTANT LIFE? They've made an album called "I've made arrangements for world peace" which is kind of good. Doesn't sound at all like BOB HUND, though. Erik Starck ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:53:06 +0000 From: "johanna.hillgren" Subject: Re: Bob Hund. Micke Rehnstrom wrote: > Mats L wrote: > >Can and Kraftwerk, especially Kraftwerk is one of the biggest influences > >that they have. > > Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB HUND, > has also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired bands/projects. > OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot > remember the name of it. > > /Micke Maybe you're thinking of Spacelab, the duo Tomas Oberg had together with Jonas Synthguy. They made two albums, both containing of great Kraftwerkrip-offs in both sound- and songwise. And the sleeve artwork is actually one of the nicest I've ever seen. If you're lucky you might be able to find these album pretty cheap second-hand. They're definitely worth buying. DANIEL not understanding people slagging of Kent just because they are platinasellers. Good music is good music. ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:57:10 +0000 From: "johanna.hillgren" Subject: Re: Bob Hund. Erik Soderstrom wrote: > At 12:54 1997-11-24 -0000, Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7 wrote: > > >It must also be said that to compare Bob Hund to Kent in any way would > >be like finding a connection between a Rolls Royce and a child's rusty > >tricycle (with a wheel missing.). > > Agreed. When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only > band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure. > > //Erik Kent rule this country. "Isola" is truly magnificent. There you go. DANIEL ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:17 +0100 From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Bob Hund. scan-indie@lysator.liu.se,Internet writes: >Mats L wrote: >>Can and Kraftwerk, especially Kraftwerk is one of the biggest >influences >>that they have. >Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB >HUND, >has also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired >bands/projects. >OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot >remember the name of it. Oh, don't forget Instant Life! They made 2 albums and they are simply wonderful! I even like them more than BH, IMHO. Some kind of subversive dub, not really Kraftwerk, maybe with a hint of (early) underworld? The lyrics are imaginative and strange, mystic... You do have to try it, even if you don't like BH. And they sing in english, which means you can listen to them even if you're not from scandinavia. Jan ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:12:06 +0100 From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Nordman again?! scan-indie@lysator.liu.se,Internet writes: >From: Micke Rehnstrom >Subject: Re: Nordman again?! >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:37:22 +0200 >Petter Tiilikainen wrote: >>Maybe this is a bit theoretical, but consider a band that >>are convinced antisemites, Or take something more controversial, propagate use of hard drugs? ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:44:10 +0100 From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Bob Hund. johanna.hillgren@swipnet.se,Internet writes: > Maybe you're thinking of Spacelab, the duo Tomas Oberg had together > with Jonas > Synthguy. Wow! That somehow escaped me, that BH was behind Spacelab. I never really heard much from them, but everybody keeps saying that they're soooo Kraftwerkish. I just thought that the people behind Spacelab were techno-nerds like Swemix or some other Pitch Cotrol-studio guys... >They made two albums, both containing of great Kraftwerkrip-offs in >both sound- and songwise. And the sleeve artwork is actually one of the >nicest >I've ever seen. If you're lucky you might be able to find these album >pretty >cheap second-hand.They're definitely worth buying. Is there any homepage or discog online on Spacelab? I didn't find anything, just a lot of Kraftwerk! ;-) Jan ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:48:57 +0100 (MET) From: aquadays@swipnet.se Subject: Re: Kent Erik Soderstrom wrote: >When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only >band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure. And Radiohead!!!! The similarities are extreme! Martin. ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:49:12 +0100 (MET) From: Petter Tiilikainen Subject: Re: Nordman again?! According to Micke Rehnstrom: > It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I > know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the > music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would > never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like. > Just hate them too much. I'm more offended by bad music. I personally believe that controversy challenges your intellect more than some shiny happy cute indiepop crap. The world is an ugly place, basically, and there's no need to pretend it's not. Petter ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:54:19 +0100 (MET) From: Petter Tiilikainen Subject: Re: Kent According to aquadays@swipnet.se: > Erik Soderstrom wrote: > >When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only > >band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure. > > And Radiohead!!!! The similarities are extreme! What about Uno Svenningson and his former band Freda' ? I think Kent sounds like them with the addition of distortion, they're about as talented too. Petter ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:00:57 +0100 (MET) From: aquadays@swipnet.se Subject: Re: Nordman again?! Micke wrote: >It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I >know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the >music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would >never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like. >Just hate them too much. It's never good to hate. But of course, one has to condemn racism and certainly not listen to music made by racists. Jan Sundstrom wrote: >Or take something more controversial, propagate use of hard drugs? Are you crazy? Do you think drugs are more controversial than antisemitism? Martin ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:03:05 +-100 From: Mikael Fant Subject: Swe char, etc Wouldn't possibly the following sort out the problem with swedish characters? Using the trema accent, i.e. two dots, (the key normally just to the left of the Enter key, on a PC.) used with a and o, to get ae and oe, and an acute or grave accent with a to get aa? The trema is used in English (f.x. in the word naive), and should (I think) be ok with an English character set, or? Even if it is used as umlaut in german and swedish. Would this be OK, chief? The reason for all this is that I want you to give me info on an (I believe) Estonian noise-pop band that I heard a couple of years back, called, wait for it.... Roovel oobik, with dots over all o:s, i.e. Roeoevel oeoebik, which is pretty hard discussing without the dots... Thanks Magnus for the Kaare-address! Micke/CV ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:05:52 +0100 (MET) From: aquadays@swipnet.se Subject: Re: Kent Petter wrote: >What about Uno Svenningson and his former band Freda' ? >I think Kent sounds like them with the addition of distortion, >they're about as talented too. Yeah, Jocke Berg sings almost exactly as Uno, but as the songs are SO much better than Freda', I like Kent anyway. Martin ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:56:40 -0500 From: Mo Holkar / UKG Subject: Swe char, etc Micke wrote: >> Wouldn't possibly the following sort out the problem with swedish characters? Using the trema accent, i.e. two dots, (the key normally just to the left of the Enter key, on a PC.) used with a and o, to get ae and oe, and an acute or grave accent with a to get aa? The trema is used in English (f.x. in the word naive), and should (I think) be ok with an English character set, or? Even if it is used as umlaut in german and swedish. << Even though we do use the two dots diacritical mark in English to indicate diaeresis in words like naive, noel, imported from French, it's not in the 0-127 character set :-( There's an established convention among German writers to represent umlaut-ed characters by an e after the letter, eg Duesseldorf, maedchen, frauelein, when accented characters are not available -- are there similar conventions in Swedish? Although in real life German emails you'd just write Dusseldorf, madchen, fraulein, and everyone would know what you meant. This would probably be true if you just wrote Roovel Oobik as well... Mo ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:14:35 +0100 From: "Barczinski, Reiner, WAC" Subject: Re. Nordman again?! Oh, I'm wondering, which circles my simple question turns out ... but this topic is always worth some discussion! Micke wrote: >> It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which >> I know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the >> music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I >> would never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds >> like. Just hate them too much. > > It's never good to hate. But of course, one has to condemn racism and > certainly not listen to music made by racists. Yes, think so, too! Talking 'bout racism shoud not be banned, everybody should be able to TALK about everything, what's his opinion ... I'd never refuse to talk to these people, a.) because I know that that would bring nothing positive, and b.) because a.m., everybody can have his own opinion, if I share it or not ... I'm thinkin' 'bout the discussion taken place in germany, when it came to that point to forbid extremely-right-wing-parties or not ... than I must say, perhaps it's better to let them be allowed, because only if the party's forbidden, their members won't change their mind, and if you have them all together in one party, you - as a government - know better, where they're to find ... but enough of this, this is - as far as I know - a music-list, and not political-discussion, but music with some deeper meaning sometimes is policy ... In the end, it's always the same: I don't really know rights or wrongs ... except that racism is to be refused at all costs ... (and that was only half of that, and in an other way as I would have said in german ...) Jan Sundstrom wrote: >> Or take something more controversial, propagate use of hard drugs? > > Are you crazy? Do you think drugs are more controversial than > antisemitism? > > Martin IMO, there's nothing to refuse more in general than antisemitism, racism, fasicm and all that, because hard drugs is the choice of everyone himself, for example ... Huh, and all that, just because of Nordman ... Reiner ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:06:00 -0000 From: "Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7" Subject: (More) Bob Hund Anyone, so, I've been listening to Bob Hund music for a year or so now, and have remained in absolute AWE of them despite the fact that I can't understand a single word of what Tomas sings, not being a Swedish speaker myself. This doesn't particularly present any great problems to me, I listen to plenty of music in other languages that I don't understand (naturally, this is occasionally the case with English singers too...), I'm just listening to the songs from a perspective where the vocals become just another instrument in the arrangement. BUT, as I'm on this list I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask if anyone out there has ever attempted rough Swedish-English translations of any Bobby Hund songs. Well? Yes, of course their lyrics (Which all my Swedish friends are constantly telling me are very, very unique, beautiful and special... also, didn't they win some Swedish "grammy" award last year?) will lose a lot in transition and outside the context of their native language, but I'm burning with curiosity to know even rough, sketchy outlines of some of the songs. So? Is anyone brave enough? - Daniel PS: Yes, yes, I'll learn Swedish... but not just now! ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:32:02 +0100 (MET) From: Petter Tiilikainen Subject: Re: (More) Bob Hund According to Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7: > as I'm on this list I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask if anyone > out there has ever attempted rough Swedish-English translations of any > Bobby Hund songs. Well? I think Robert Cumming has done some rather good translations actually, check this url out: http://www.astro.su.se/~robert/Musik/bob_hund.html /Petter ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:28:10 -0500 (EST) From: Martin Olson Subject: Re: (More) Bob Hund If you do a web-search for "Bob Hund lyrics" on any search engine, you'll probably come up with this one page I ran across a while ago that has translations from all the bob hund albums into english. I think I have issues with maybe the way one or two things here and there are translated and YES you really do lose a hell of a lot in the translation, but it's certainly worth a look... later, Martin. ----------------------------- End of Scandinavian Indie Digest Vol.97 #08 *******************************************