Scandinavian Indie Digest Fri Dec 15, 1995 Volume 2 : Issue 19 There are 51 messages totalling 1353 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Cardigans : Rise&Shine 2. Addresses to record labels (3) 3. Interesting live acts... (2) 4. un-crap canadian pop *no scan-indie content* 5. Interviews lined up - Questions? 6. Crap english hippie rock (tfc? ;) ) *no scan-indie content* 7. Ronnblom 8. Lipton's commercial (5) 9. Lipton's commercial/Sarah 10. Yvonne live 11. PJH (non-scan) 12. New Red Sleeping Beauty CD 13. Radiohead on P3 live??? (2) 14. Swervedriver! (4) 15. Kjell Hoglund? 16. Somersault WWW page 17. Radiohead / P3 Live This Week 18. Swervedriver, Popsicle 19. Motor Tour List [05-Dec-95] 20. Upcoming Releases 21. Salt (4) 22. Popsicle 23. Popsicle (+ the neverending slam on music journalists) (3) 24. Popsicle journalists (3) 25. Salt live for free!!! (+Yvonne, Fireside etc) 26. PJ cancelled 27. Journalists (2) 28. Salt + Fireside 29. PJ Harvey Cancelled 30. (long-winded, opinionated rant on..)Journalists (2) 31. That Popsicle Single --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:39:21 +0100 From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Cardigans : Rise&Shine On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Nicolas Moch wrote: > Does anybody out there has the Rise & Shine Cardigans single ? > I would like to buy one, if it is still available, or at least get the > tracklisting and the cover picture for the home page. > If one of you out there knows where I can find it, I will be VERY grateful... I saw all their singles at Megahertz (a record store) in Jonkoping (not that strange...) last week. You might want to call them and ask if they can send it to you? //Erik ----------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:39:00 +0100 From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Addresses to record labels On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Christer Nilsson wrote: > I am interested in getting the mailing addresses to Swedish record > companies/labels. I am especially interested in the following ones: This reminds me I need to update the list posted here about a year ago. :) I have no time for that right now though, but I can post some of the addresses you were looking for (I think the rest of the list might have some interest in them as well, so I post them here): A West Side Fabrication P.O. Box 183 931 22 Skelleftea SWEDEN Phone: +46-910-38507 Fax : Same Dolores Records Drottninggatan 52 411 07 Gothenburg SWEDEN Phone: +46-31-150418 Fax: +46-31-152340 MNW Records Group P.O. Box 271 185 23 Vaxholm SWEDEN Phone: +46-8-54133450 Fax: +46-8-54130060 > -Silence > -Beverage > -Stockholm Records I have no addresses for these last three unfortunately. Anyone else? //Erik -------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:47:55 +0100 (MET) From: Nicolas Moch Subject: Re: Addresses to record labels > On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Christer Nilsson wrote: > > > I am interested in getting the mailing addresses to Swedish record > > companies/labels. I am especially interested in the following ones: I have only the adress of Stockholm Records : Stockholm Records P.O. Box 20504 161 02 Bromma SWEDEN Phone: +46-8-6296820 Fax: +46-8-6270864 Cheers, ------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:31:15 +0200 (EET) From: Joakim Schonert Subject: Interesting live acts... Hello, I'll be wissiting Stockholm next week (27.11 - 1.12) and I was wondering are there any interesting gigs I should attend to while visiting your lovely town. Anything goes, as long as it's interesting. I am also interested in the club life of Stockholm, so if you know anything worth checking out please mail me... Thank you Joakim:> --------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:53:27 +0100 From: siri@algonet.se (siri ahmed) Subject: Re: Addresses to record labels >MNW Records Group >P.O. Box 271 >185 23 Vaxholm >SWEDEN >Phone: +46-8-54133450 >Fax: +46-8-54130060 that's not right cos they have moved their office. the new one is: MNW Records Group AB P.O. Box 535 S-183 25 T{by Sweden Phone: +46-8-630 10 33 Fax: +46-8-630 10 34 e-mail: headq@mnw.se /siri -------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:26:42 -0100 From: a94johbo@ikm.his.se (John Boqvist) Subject: un-crap canadian pop *no scan-indie content* >hmm. but. did anyone of you who where there catch the opening opening >band the inbreds? wooo were these guys ever fun to watch. i love them. >bass and drums. simple and fuzzy. and oh, pretty beatlesesque.. ;) >they'll be included in the 'zine i am doing. like you'd care, eh? >sorry for the shameless self-promotion though.. Yes! I caught the Inbreds. The really charmed me. Came to think of a lo-fi version of early They Might Be Giants (at least the first songs). Please tell me about your zine, I'm always interrested. BTW, not many people were there when the Inbreds played (20 past seven). Could we have been as many as 50? J. --------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 05:10:33 +0100 From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Interviews lined up - Questions? 'lo out there! I only wanted to let you know that I've got Honey Is Cool lined up for an interview later tonight (thursday) and Leslies next thursday (30/11) so if you want to ask any of the bands something, or want to know something, let me know and I'll ask them. Sk}l, //Erik ----------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:36:43 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Crap english hippie rock (tfc? ;) ) *no scan-indie content* >> BTW, did anyone but me attend the gig of the century, TFC at Studion? >> Tell me what you thougth! I did. Love them, as always. I can't help it but, i get so happy when i hear them. The melodies, the atmosphere, the way they talk to the audience, makes me lucky, somehow. And then they did one of the best songs this year: "Mellow Doubt", which also has brilliant lyrics that means something to me. That's personal, but anyway... Still, i agree with Langstrom that Bandwagonesque was the best album they've made, compared to the later ones. Jan Sundstrom "Faces of fear, hands of desperation" - Scapa Flow ------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:48:47 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Interesting live acts... >Hello, >I'll be wissiting Stockholm next week (27.11 - 1.12) and I was wondering >are there any interesting gigs I should attend to while wissiting your >lovely town. Yeah! Definitely Radiohead the 1/12 at Gino. Support Drugstore i think. Radiohead are ace, and they slammed Gino the last time they played there! There's also a party for the arty magazine 90-Tal, with lot's of jet set people in downtown Stockholm 28/11. A few live acts will be there, including seminal act Dom Dummaste ("The Most Stupids"). Maybe someone else on the list knows more about this fiesta?! Jan Sundstrom "Living is for other men, I hope you do understand" / The Verve - 'History' ----------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 23:40:41 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Ronnblom Newsflash: Legendary prog artist Anders F Ronnblom play two rare concerts: 19/12 Stockholm, Studion 20/12 Uppsala, Rackis Catch him, coz he only play 2-3 times a year! Jan Sundstrom ------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:24:44 +0100 (MET) From: Nicolas Moch Subject: Lipton's commercial Hi everybody, Well, I checked out the Lipton commercial. All I can say is that it is not the Cardigans. It is said to be someone who copied their sound, though, because it is very similar... If anybody knows who it is, I will be very interested to know. Cheers, ---------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:53:04 +0200 (EET) From: trkisa@uta.fi (Kimmo Saaskilahti) Subject: Re: Lipton's commercial According to Nicolas Moch: * Well, I checked out the Lipton commercial. All I can say is that it is * not the Cardigans. It is said to be someone who copied their sound, * though, because it is very similar... * * If anybody knows who it is, I will be very interested to know. Indeed! It's on a quite heavy rotation in Finnish TV as well (it has to be, since I have seen it already a couple of times, and I watch very little TV these days...apart from The Bold And The Beautiful of course %) You're my favourite cup of tea... Kimmo trkisa@uta.fi ------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:56:20 +0100 (MET) From: Petter Tiilikainen Subject: Re: Lipton's commercial According to Nicolas Moch: > * Well, I checked out the Lipton commercial. All I can say is that it is= > > * not the Cardigans. It is said to be someone who copied their sound, > * though, because it is very similar... Copied their sound? Ever heard of the brittish label Sarah? Petter --------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:08:57 +0100 (MET) From: Nicolas Moch Subject: Re: Lipton's commercial On Mon, 27 Nov 1995, Petter Tiilikainen wrote: > > * Well, I checked out the Lipton commercial. All I can say is that it is > > * not the Cardigans. It is said to be someone who copied their sound, > > * though, because it is very similar... > > Copied their sound? Ever heard of the brittish label Sarah? Hello, I just told what I heard... By the way I never heard of this label, do you have some informatioon. I know that the Cardigans areheavily inspired by 60s british pop, but I don't have any examples... Thanks in advance... ----------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:27:42 +0200 (EET) From: Sami Rouhento Subject: Re: Lipton's commercial Petter Tiilikainen wrote: > > * Well, I checked out the Lipton commercial. All I can say is that it is > > * not the Cardigans. It is said to be someone who copied their sound, > > * though, because it is very similar... > > Copied their sound? Ever heard of the brittish label Sarah? Well, which Sarah band were you thinking of, coz I can't think straight away of one that would sound as irritatingly kitschy-jazzy-retro as the Cardigans do. Sami ------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:42:22 +0200 (EET) From: trkisa@uta.fi (Kimmo Saaskilahti) Subject: Re: Lipton's commercial/Sarah According to Nicolas Moch: * > Copied their sound? Ever heard of the brittish label Sarah? * I just told what I heard... By the way I never heard of this label, do * you have some informatioon. I know that the Cardigans areheavily inspired * by 60s british pop, but I don't have any examples... Well...what can I say... Sarah are (or should I say were?) a seminal UK indiepop label, I mean THE seminal label of the past decade or so! Bands in their roster were Field Mice, Heavenly, Blueboy, Northern Picture Library, The Orchids among many others. Their music could be described as twee, sensitive, emotional, fluffy with exactly the right amount of naivety and honesty... I'm sure somebody else on this list can give a better description than this. If you want to find out more about the lable, get the "Sarah 100: There And Back Again Lane" compilation CD. It sums up the label and its bands quite well. Kimmo who thinks "Paris" by Northern Picture Library changed a little bit of his life forever ----------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:21:58 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Yvonne live Anyone going to Yvonne at Stockholm, Gino the 13th??? Rumours tell that they're playing Studion the 21th too. Can anyone confirm? I'm going, definitely! Jan Sundstrom -------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:24:18 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: PJH (non-scan) Also, time is closing in for PJ Harvey at Stockholm, Cirkus the 10th. I was lucky to get tickets. guess they're sold out by now. I saw her twice back in 1992, at festivals in England, and i must say she was more rock then, compared to the gig at Gino this spring. Jan Sundstrom ----------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:22:12 +0200 (EET) From: trkisa@uta.fi (Kimmo Saaskilahti) Subject: New Red Sleeping Beauty CD Hello everybody! The following message was posted to the indiepop mailing list, I thought I'd pass it on: According to Peter Hahndorf: Just in time for your X-mas shopping are two new CDs by German label Marsh Marigold Records. First the long overdue debut-full length by Swedish popsters RED SLEEPING BEAUTY. Actually it's only 19:45 min long but it has eight songs. It's called 'Bedroom', but has nothing to do with bedroom pop. BTW have you ever encountered a Swedish band making bedroom pop? Personally I think the songs here are the best they released since their 'Pop Sounds' 3" CD back in 1992. I'm looking forward to their appearance at the annual Marsh Marigold X-mas festival in two weeks. Contact: Marsh Marigold Record c/o Oliver Goetzl Simrockstr. 111 22589 Hamburg Germany or me via e-mail Pete -------- In case somebody is interested, the other new Marsh Marigold release is a CD by the French band Caramel. Kimmo trkisa@uta.fi ------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:41:59 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Radiohead on P3 live??? Anyone attended the RH gigs this weekend? Stockholm was great, almost as good as the one in april. I'm actually listening to my recording at this very moment. I noticed Thom standing beside the stage during the Drugstore gig, hughing his teddybear real tight! He's freaked out. I noticed also the P3 truck outside. Does anyone know when/if this will be broadcasted??? Jan Sundstrom "And I used to fly like Peter Pan" ( Radiohead - Bones ) ------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:43:40 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Swervedriver! Swervies comes to SWeden!!! According to Aftonbladet, they'll play: Linkoping 24/1 Goteborg 25/1 Stockholm 30/1 A list meet?! Jan Sundstrom ------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 21:49:01 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Kjell Hoglund? This messages announces that KJELL HOGLUND will join Anders F Ronnblom at the concert in Stockholm (Studion) the 19/12. Check'em out. They're both very cool! Look also at Kjelles homepage: http://www.fsdm.se/Atlantis/text/Kjell.html Jan Sundstrom ----------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 03:56:00 +0100 From: Erik S|derstr|m Subject: Somersault WWW page I've updated and almost completed the Somersault page now. The only thing missing are the photos. I'll try to scan them as soon as possible and add them to the page. Check it out at: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/somersault.html - or - http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/somersault.html (in case the first one doesn't work). //Erik ----------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 07:42:58 +0100 From: Erik S|derstr|m Subject: Re: Swervedriver! On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) wrote: > Swervies comes to SWeden!!! > According to Aftonbladet, they'll play: > Linkoping 24/1 [snip] > A list meet?! Well, I've booked that date in my calendar for them Swervies-fellas. If anyone's coming to Linkoping, I'd be happy to serve as .. hmm.. guide and so on. :) //Erik ---------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 07:43:24 +0100 From: Erik S|derstr|m Subject: Re: Radiohead / P3 Live This Week On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) wrote: > Anyone attended the RH gigs this weekend? > I noticed also the P3 truck outside. Does anyone know when/if this will be > broadcasted??? Hmm, I guess it'll be pretty soon. They're damn quick these days, though it's not going to be this week, because this week's schedule is as follows: Mon 4/12 Wild Rover (Linkoping 28-Oct-95) Tue 5/12 Cheb Mami (Galarparken, Stockholm, 15-Jun-95) Wed 6/12 Dr Alban (Gatufesten, Sundsvall, 7-Jul-95) Thu 7/12 Foo Fighters (Cirkus, Stockholm, 17-Oct-95) Fri 8/12 Cardigans (Live) Sat 9/12 Fancy Pool, Retard, Oliver Hardy (Ungdomsgarden, Tellus, Skara) Sun 10/12 Boogaloo (Fredmans, Malmo, 23-Nov-95) Time: ALWAYS at 21.03 (*** EXCEPT *** Fridays (ie. Cardigans) = 21.10) Anyone catch Oasis, Menswear, Beastie Boys, Supergrass, Levellers and Tricky (from Roskilde and Hultsfred) on P3 Live last week? Anyone recorded any of it? I missed the whole thing 'cause I had to visit my parents. :-/ //Erik ----------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:39:05 +0100 From: y-runann@jmk.su.se (Anna-Karin Rundquist) Subject: Re: Radiohead on P3 live??? >Anyone attended the RH gigs this weekend? >Stockholm was great, almost as good as the one in april. I'm actually >listening to my recording at this very moment. >I noticed Thom standing beside the stage during the Drugstore gig, hughing >his teddybear real tight! He's freaked out. > >I noticed also the P3 truck outside. Does anyone know when/if this will be >broadcasted??? It probably will. Ther was a truck outside Suede's first concert at Cirkus and they broadcasted that, but several months later. akeen writes poems of friendship ------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:24:13 +0100 (MET) From: Per L}ngstr|m Subject: Re: Swervedriver! On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Jan Sundstrom suggested: > Stockholm 30/1 > > A list meet?! yes, why not? i haven't heard their latest album though so, what's it like? hmm, while on the topic of new releases.. has anyone out there got the new popsicle cdsingle? are there any opinions out here? .per ---------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 16:32:38 +0100 From: ludde@kore.lk.se (Ludvig Borgne) Subject: Swervedriver! > yes, why not? i haven't heard their latest album though so, what's it like? Funny, I'm listening to it right now. It's pretty ok. Much more mellow than the previous ones, though. Some really good songs, some not so good. The first song sounds almost exactly like the first song on Boo Radley's first full length, Spaniard. While I'm at it, I might as well add some scan-indie content... Two of the records I listen to the most right now are Honey Is Cool's "Focky Focky No Pay" and Yvonne's eponymously titled debut. Really good, both of them, even though I like the songs on HIC's demo much more than the new songs. /Ludde ---------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:40:28 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Swervedriver, Popsicle >yes, why not? i haven't heard their latest album though so, what's it like? It's ace cooool! I got a deleted verison for _free_ from the Fan Club, including a promo version of "It's all happening now" not available anywhere else. Definitely worth having! There's also a hidden track... >hmm, while on the topic of new releases.. has >anyone out there got the new popsicle cdsingle? No, what about the Undulate CD??? Is it a UK-only release? I also met Andreas + Olle Ljungstrom yesterday at Medborgarplatsen. They were probably on their way to Hannas ;), i asked them about more live shows. Not until January, both said. Jan Sundstrom ------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 06:17:51 +0100 From: Erik S|derstr|m Subject: Motor Tour List [05-Dec-95] Motor Tour List 05-Dec-1995 Swedish artists --------------- 59 times the pain Burning Heart 10/12 Dilzen (B) - Jeugdhuis Liberator Burning Heart 21/12 Gothenburg - Cue Club New 22/12 Stockholm - Studion New LPC Beverage 5/12 Lund - Mejeriet 6/12 Gothenburg - Underground Millencolin Burning Heart support : 59 times the pain 5/12 Merseille (F) - CCM Mirabeu 6/12 Pau (F) - Le Paco 7/12 Borduaex (F) - Le Jimmy 8/12 Thiers (F) - Le Balthazar 9/12 Paris (F) - Le Espace Sedaine 11/12 Leeds (UK) - Duched of York 12/12 London - The Garage 13/12 Nottingham (UK) - The Narrowboat 14/12 Birmingham (UK) - The Foundre 19/1 Fieberbrunn (A)- World Pro Half pipe final 25/1 K|penhamn - Pumpehuset New 27/1 Arvidjaur - Medborgarhuset New 31/1 Oslo - Betong New 1/2 Bergen - Hulen New 3/2 Trondheim - Studentsamfund New 6/3 Osaka - Club Quattro New 7/3 Nagoya - Club Quattro New 8/3 Tokyo - Club Quattro New 9/3 Tokyo - Club Quattro New No Fun at all Burning Heart 11/12 Leeds - Duched of York 12/12 London - The Garage 13/12 Nottingham - The Narrowboat 25/1 K|penhamn - Pumpehuset 31/1 Utrecht (NL) - Tivoli 1/2 Nijmegen (NL) - Doomroojse 2/2 Eidhoven (NL) - Effenaar 3/2 Amsterdam (NL) - Melkweg 5/2 Mari (G) - tba 6/2 Frankfurt (G) 7/2 Luzern (CH) 8/2 Bern (CH) 9/2 Basel (CH) 10/2 Zurich (CH) 11 2 Bregens (A) 13/2 Munchen (G) 14/2 Linz (A) 16/2 Stuttgart (G) 17/2 Mannheim (G) 18/2 K|ln (G) 20/2 Dortmund (G) 21/2 Bielefeld (G) 22/2 Ebbenburen (G) 23/2 Pinee (G) 24/2 Berlin (G) 25/2 Hamburg (G) 1/3 Fagersta - Showcaseparty 2/3 \rebro - Showcaseparty 6/3 Osaka - Club Quattro 7/3 Nagoya - Club Quattro 8/3 Tokyo - Club Quattro 9/3 Tokyo - Club Quattro Porklift Soundfront rec. 9/12 Falun - Valhalla New 12/12 Kalmar - Bj|rklokalen New Randy Dolores Rec. 16/12 Arvidsjaur - Medborgarhuset New Satanic Surfers Burning Heart 7/12 Gothenburg - Underground 19/1 Lund - Mejeriet New 8/12 Sk|vde - Gorilla Rock New ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Non-Swedish artists ------------------- Cast (UK) PolyGram 14/12 Stockholm - Gino 15/12 Oslo - So What 16/12 Gothenburg - Magasin 3 17/12 K|benhavn - Loppen CIV (US) Wea 1/2 K|benhavn - Stengade 30 New 2/2 Oslo - Blitz New 3/2 Stockholm - Studion New D`Angelo (US) Emi 9/2 Stockholm - Gino New 10/2 K|benhavn - Pumpehuset New GLove & Special Sauce (US) Sony 24/1 Lund - Mejeriet New 25/1 Stockholm - Gino New Ruby (UK) Sony 22/1 Stockholm - Studion 23/1 Oslo - So What Teen foot pole (US) Border/Epitaph 16/1 K|penhamn - Cafe Rust New 17/1 Norrk|ping - Kammaren New 18/1 Borl{nge - Kosmos New 19/1 Lund - Mejeriet New Voodo glow Skulls (US) Border/Epitaph 23/1 Lund - Mejeriet New 24/1 Stockholm - Studion New 25/1 Albergslund (DK) - F|rbr{ndning New 26/1 ]rhus - Musikcafen New 27/1 ]lborg - 1000 fryd New ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 06:18:10 +0100 From: Erik S|derstr|m Subject: Upcoming Releases Some upcoming releases that might be of interest to us scandies: Note that all dates are preliminary! Date Artist Title Format Label ------- ------------ --------------- ------ ----------------------- Dec/Jan Popsicle tba CD Telegram Records 29 Jan Popundret tba CD A West Side Fabrication 29 Jan The Drowners tba CD A West Side Fabrication 5 Feb Svart Sn| tba CD Beat Butchers 8 Feb Puffin tba CD5 A West Side Fabrication 25 Feb Puffin tba CD A West Side Fabrication Mar A Shrine tba CD A West Side Fabrication First quarter 1996 ------------------ ? ??? Kent tba CD BMG Anyone knows something that should be added to this list? Souls for example? //Erik -------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 21:42:41 -0800 From: Christer Nilsson Subject: Salt Salt is on heavy rotation on the major "rock" radio stations in the LA-area. They also keep mentioning that they are from Sweden. I wonder if people are buying the record though... ---------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:46:11 +0100 From: ludde@kore.lk.se (Ludvig Borgne) Subject: Popsicle > >hmm, while on the topic of new releases.. has > >anyone out there got the new popsicle cdsingle? > > No, what about the Undulate CD??? Is it a UK-only release? Do you mean the Whitsun EP? Or is there a separate single for Undulate as well? Hmm, some day I'll make an attempt to update that discography I made a couple of years ago. /Ludde ------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:31:22 +0200 (EET) From: trkisa@uta.fi (Kimmo Saaskilahti) Subject: Re: Salt According to Christer Nilsson: * Salt is on heavy rotation on the major "rock" radio stations in the * LA-area. They also keep mentioning that they are from Sweden. * * I wonder if people are buying the record though... I certainly hope they are... looking back at this year's releases, I think "Auscultate" is absolutely one of the best things I have heard, not only Scan-Indie -wise, but on a global scale (huge thanks to Robert C for picking up the CD for me!! :) ) Too bad we missed them at Trastockfestivalen... Kimmo trkisa@uta.fi ------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:54:53 +0100 (MET) From: Per L}ngstr|m Subject: Re: Popsicle (+ the neverending slam on music journalists) On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Ludvig Borgne wrote: > > >hmm, while on the topic of new releases.. has > > >anyone out there got the new popsicle cdsingle? > > > > No, what about the Undulate CD??? Is it a UK-only release? > > Do you mean the Whitsun EP? > Or is there a separate single for Undulate as well? huh? no. um, it's a totally new one. and it was supposed to have been released this past friday (dec.1st) and supposed to be called "forever.." something. a good friend of mine got it in the mail last week and he says it's pretty ok. so now i want to hear it myself. and yeah, of course my friend is a journalist. who else but them would get records for free before they are even being released..? i can't believe how much they (journalists) are being sucked up to. they never buy new records and they usually don't know sh*t about the artists (expect for what is being mouth-fed to them in the press-releases) they are reviewing. they suck so bad it's unbelievable. go shellac and palace brothers who don't support this "sucking-up by sending out promos to journalist"-system!!! grr .per ------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 16:42:21 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Popsicle (+ the neverending slam on music journalists) Per L\engstr\vm writes: >i can't believe how much they >(journalists) are being sucked up to. they never buy new records and they >usually don't know sh*t about the artists (expect for what is being >mouth-fed to them in the press-releases) they are reviewing. > >they suck so bad it's unbelievable. That depends on what journalists you're talking about... - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:03:11 +0100 (MET) From: Ulf.Harnhammar@abc.se (Ulf Harnhammar) Subject: Popsicle journalists How do you think you would've found out about Popsicle's very existence, had there been no music journalists in our very country? -ulf http://www.abc.se/~m9656/ ----------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:04:03 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Popsicle journalists >How do you think you would've found out about Popsicle's very existence, had >there been no music journalists in our very country? The question is a bit quirky, but i'd say yes, maybe. The first time i read about them was in Nojesguiden when they became demo of the month (Jan Gradvall?). Later, i also read in Expressens archive, the first time they were mentioned. That was Lars Lindstrom, seing them live in Pitea (or Skelleftea). He wrote something like: "these guys are going to get big, i promise. Remember where you read it first.". Personally, i first heard about them in august -91(?), when they were palying in Pet Sounds basement at Tulegatan, in their old shop. That was just when Template was released. Later that year i saw them in Uppsala on the "Trimotore" tour, with Mindscape and This Perfect Day(?). Jan Sundstrom ------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:09:53 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Popsicle (+ the neverending slam on music journalists) >> Or is there a separate single for Undulate as well? Yes, there is one separate. I've seen it listed a few times. I believe it's not released here, just like Histrionics and Little Princess. >my friend is a journalist. who else but them would get records for free >before they are even being released..? >they suck so bad it's unbelievable. Hey, i'm a journalist, although not employed at the moment. I used to work at Expressen. Don't throw shit at journos, in fact you should blame the record companies who send this stuff to them. But then, these are private companies, they can do what they want with their promos. And as long as they see that this works and their artists get press, there's no way to stop them. I could argue a lot more on this, but i leave it now... Jan Sundstrom ----------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:33:13 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: Salt live for free!!! (+Yvonne, Fireside etc) > Too bad we missed them at Trastockfestivalen... Hey! got a letter today from Gino. They're playing sunday 10/12, for free! That is for all members of Gino-bar. I don't know haw to become member, maybe you could call them? Fireside are also playing the same night, and Yvonne are playing the 13th, also for free! Count me in! List meet??? Jan Sundstrom ----------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:34:34 +0100 From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: PJ cancelled PJ Harvey is off. Cancelled due to illness, said todays DN. Just thought you'd wanna know. 12 gigs are affected. Incl Stockholm and some more. Jan Sundstrom ---------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:42:49 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Forsberg Subject: Re: Salt On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Christer Nilsson wrote: > Salt is on heavy rotation on the major "rock" radio stations in the > LA-area. They also keep mentioning that they are from Sweden. Cool! Maybe this is a good sign they will tour the States, and release their video to MTV USA. The first time I heard "Honour Me", I thought how perfectly it would fit into the WHFS (Baltimore local "alternative" radio station) playlist.... -- forsberg@charm.net Chris Forsberg ----------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:36:50 +0100 From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Salt On Tue, 05 Dec 1995, Christer Nilsson wrote: > Salt is on heavy rotation on the major "rock" radio stations in the > LA-area. They also keep mentioning that they are from Sweden. That's great! I've been trying to get some news out of their record label for a while about touring outside Sweden, but I haven't received an answer yet. I'll talk to them in person on monday though, so maybe I can get some answers then. //Erik --------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:37:07 +0100 From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Journalists On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Per L}ngstr|m wrote: ...a lot of things about journalists, and I just had to write something myself. I respect journalists, as long as they have their facts right and aren't making things up, or writing stuff about something they don't know anything about. Christian wanted to know what journalists one is talking about, so I'll go ahead and slag one. Anders Nunstedt. He's written so much shit, and I don't mean his own opinions, because of course, he's entitled to have those, like the rest of us, but his facts and his journalism looks like he just made up his journalist degree. Examples? Sure. The parade example is - tadaa: The Charlatans. 1) His review of The Charlatans "The Charlatans". He says that there are no hammond on the album, which he thinks is great. Even the headline for the review stated that fact. * Fact: The hammond is present on ALL tracks on the album. 2) His interview / festival report from the Stockholm Water Festival about The Charlatans stated that they played just when China blew off their fireworks, which made the concert a bit strange. * Fact: Funny that. I was there. I guess he wasn't, because they let The Charlatans gig wait for China's fireworks to end, making it 1/2 an hour late. 3) Note in expressen friday - "Tim Burgess, singer in Charlatans is a man of good taste. Therefor it was a bit chocking to open the latest issue of the trend magazine I-D, which has a big story about the english pop group. The article is namely illustrated with cool pictures of Tim - wearing a Djurgarden sweater." * Fact: Explanation for those outside Sweden: Djurgarden is a hockey/ soccer/etc team from Stockholm. If Anders Nunstedt had been at their gig at the Stockholm Water festival, he would have noted, like I did, that a bunch of guys (standing next to me) in front of the stage threw that Djurgarden sweater to Tim, which he then wore through the rest of the gig. Now THAT would have been something to write about, but to write that he's surprised instead, just shows a lot about his journalistic ability, and even makes the no.2 above even more clear about him not being there at all. I did write to expressen and asked about these things, but, as you well know, no answers and nothing on the "readers" page. WHO DARE TO QUESTION A. NUNSTEDT?! Yeah, he's a god. Right. Thank you for your objectiveness. And I won't even mention his appearence in the, frequent shown on MTV, "Sweden" commercial. //Erik ----------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:37:33 +0100 From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Salt + Fireside On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) wrote: > Hey! got a letter today from Gino. They're playing sunday 10/12, for free! > That is for all members of Gino-bar. I don't know haw to become member, > maybe you could call them? Fireside are also playing the same night, Yeah! And they play here the day after! 11/12 at Skylten, Linkoping (Salt + Fireside), not for free though, but 50:- is affordable I think. I nicked one of them SALT + FIRESIDE tour posters they've put up all over the town yesterday. It's beautiful on my wall. :-) Thank you lord. //Erik -------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:37:51 +0100 From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: PJ Harvey Cancelled On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) wrote: > PJ Harvey is off. Cancelled due to illness, said todays DN. Just thought > you'd wanna know. 12 gigs are affected. Incl Stockholm and some more. Yeah, they announced it on Z TV last night as well. All Scandinavian dates are cancelled. Only Z TV had a scoop, saying that she wasn't ill at all, but making a video with Nick Cave in Germany instead. Who knows. Maybe the ticket sales were bad around here? //Erik ------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:39:59 +0100 (MET) From: Per L}ngstr|m Subject: Re: (long-winded, opinionated rant on..)Journalists On Thu, 7 Dec 1995 Erik wrote: > On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Per L}ngstr|m wrote: > > ...a lot of things about journalists, and I just had to write something > myself. I respect journalists, as long as they have their facts right > and aren't making things up, or writing stuff about something they don't > know anything about. yes, but when they try to become the most important part of the show (in this case: the music business) it just gets really, really ugly. music would be around no matter if the journalists were. and. people would, most likely, go to shows and buy records even if there were no musically oriented journalists around. so. is there *really* a need for them? but, i guess they do exist to serve some kind of purpose. and that is part of what is so disguisting about this. sure, i love to read well-written articles/interviews on bands/artists that i, personally, find interesting/enjoyable. but when they (the evil journalists) along with the major record companies are trying to actually friggin' *teach* us as readers what music and bands who are cool to like it is really getting to be fucked up! i understand that it is mighty hard for a person writing about music *not* to write about it in a non-objective point of view, but what we are seeing here in sweden, it's just sick! people like anders nunstedt just believes that his opinions on music is, like, the word of god. i just can't fucking believe it! who is who to say one record is better than another?!? i mean, just because you have heard 99% of all the records ever made, you may not be one bit right when it comes to what *i* personally like!! if music in one way can be better than in another, is it possible to point out the best colour in the world too?!?!? by taking this as an example, i am refering to the music magazine pop's list on the hundred best records ever. this list was put together by the people who are making pop (the magazine). and to me, it's one of the most offensive journalistic pieces on music i've ever read! who are these people to say what records are the best ever?!? sorry, i don't get it. sure, they all know a lot about the history of music etc etc but why in the world do people believe this list is "the list of the best records ever"? it's just twenty different persons putting together a list of what records they like the most. and they are all rather good friends so, well, obviously they have pretty much the same opinions (as friends tend to have). and then, every music interested kid around goes "wow. are these really the best albums ever made? yeah, they must be because that is what those guys say and if they don't know, who does?".. the thing is that no one does. everyone should really try to listen to the music and then make up their own minds, no matter what anders nunstedt and/or jan gradvall believe. try to overlook their attempts to educate you and your taste in music. their words are based on nothing else but their very own opinions. so. they are not backed up by god or whomever. enough ranting. music is the works. so let's just forget about them getting payed for writing about it and just get along instead, shall we? .per ps. i am a little sorry for naming jan gradvall in the same sentence as anders nunstedt. i respect jan gradvall an his opinions a lot more than mr.nunstedt who just seems to know absolutely nothing about anything. and still he keeps trying to impose his opinions on us. yuk. that man really does suck. -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:03:26 +0200 (EET) From: Sami Rouhento Subject: Re: Popsicle journalists > How do you think you would've found out about Popsicle's very existence, had > there been no music journalists in our very country? Through the internet and lists like this, surely. Going to see bands play, just to find out how they sound. Talking to your friends. Reading fanzines (written by fans rather than journalists - people who actually have to pay for the music they review). I'd say the Finnish music press has not introduced me to one single interesting band for quite a while... Can't speak for Swedish journos, of course. Sami --------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:33:56 +0100 From: robert@astro.su.se (Robert Cumming) Subject: Re: (long-winded, opinionated rant on..)Journalists Per L}ngstr|m wrote: > sure, i love to read well-written articles/interviews on > bands/artists that i, personally, find interesting/enjoyable. but > when they (the evil journalists) along with the major record > companies are trying to actually friggin' *teach* us as readers what > music and bands who are cool to like it is really getting to be > fucked up! i understand that it is mighty hard for a person writing > about music *not* to write about it in a non-objective point of > view, but what we are seeing here in sweden, it's just sick! people > like anders nunstedt just believes that his opinions on music is, > like, the word of god. i just can't fucking believe it! who is who > to say one record is better than another?!? OK, OK, relax. We all _know_ there are no objective standards, no absolutes and everything is equally good and valuable. There is no intrinsic difference between Sonic Dream Collective and the Bear Quartet and Mahler's Fifth Symphony. Unsurprisingly, people all have different tastes. Some people have similar tastes to other people. Also, some people can _write_ about their tastes better than other people. I happen to like Nordic indie music. I cannot possibly go out and buy all of it, and then decide what I like. I haven't got the time to queue up in Aahlens and listen to it all either. Nor do I have so many friends who like the same stuff as I do. And they don't play a whole lot of it on the radio. So I read what the journalists have to say. I read what the people on this group have to say. Then I have less of an overload problem when I go with my 160kr to the nearest record shop. And I can listen and see whether I do like what I hear. So I can read through POP's Top 100 albums and look for things that might appeal to me. And when I see Sly and the Family Stone at number one I think, well, maybe I can check that one out sometime. The problems arise when somebody writes '[band I like] are crap!'. That's just bad journalism. Much more often, it's '[band I like] are past their best, are uninventive, uninspiring, and are basically just copying [some other band]'. Then, it can be much more difficult to listen to the record and say, well, actually I _do_ still like it. But this is _my_ problem. My taste is still the same, but actually it is influenced quite a bit by what I read. It would be nice to have a taste highly independent of the rest of the world. But then, just think, you might discover you actually liked 2 Unlimited better than Sonic Youth! What a thought... Robert -------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:45:20 +0100 From: robert@astro.su.se (Robert Cumming) Subject: That Popsicle Single I heard 'Now Forever' (is that right? Hope so!) on P3 last night for the first time. It's a nice song, in the Popsicle tradition ('Wake up' rather than 'Hey Princess', of course). So the Popsicle fans (hi Kimmo!) will probably like it. However, Andreas's voice is _really_ weak on it. I don't suppose he'd claim to be the world's greatest singer, but he's quite simply missing a lot of the notes, and it sounds really unprofessional. He didn't seem to have those problems on 'Abstinence' and 'Lacquer'. I dunno, some people who can sing well produce hopeless records (Elton John, say) and the reverse is true of some others (Matti from TBQ, Jukka from Aknestik). (Why did the Pastels never make it big? for example...) Robert, trying hard not to sound like a j**rn*l*st ------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:21:06 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Journalists Per L}ngstr|m writes: >this as an example, i am refering to the music magazine pop's list on >the hundred best records ever. this list was put together by the people >who are making pop (the magazine). and to me, it's one of the most >offensive journalistic pieces on music i've ever read! who are these >people to say what records are the best ever?!? sorry, i don't get it. >sure, they all know a lot about the history of music etc etc but why in >the world do people believe this list is "the list of the best records >ever"? it's just twenty different persons putting together a list of >what records they like the most. That last sentence shows that you know what it's all about. So what's all the fuss? Why do you think everyone is out to get you? They're just opinions like mine and yours and everyone else's. Of course they're not objective, it would be ridiculous if music journalists had such intensions. >and they are all rather good friends >so, well, obviously they have pretty much the same opinions (as friends >tend to have). You'd be surprised... ------------------------- End of SI Digest #2.19 **********************