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tariqas-digest Monday, 9 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 134
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From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:14:50 +0100
Subject: Re: Love thy Neighbor
>Salam to all mankind and jinns,
>
>Michael Moore wrote:
>>
>> Jacquie Weller wrote:
>> >
>> > I surrender my ideas about the Iraq and the USA being there.
>> > Peace can only exist if people truly love their neighbor as
>> > themselves.
>> > Kaffea Lalla
>> [...]
>> Do we think that Mohammad (saws) loved everybody? Perhaps he
>> did, but if so, then this particular kind of love must not
>> preclude war. If he did not love everybody then are we enjoined
>> to do so?
>
>I don't think we are able to grasp or imagine the love of Muhammad (saw)
>towards living creatures. I think there are sheikh or teachers, who
>by their presence alone can "transmit" this kind of love. When I
>read the Beautiful Names posted to the list, I feel awed and
>humble by the beauty/love in those Names.
>
>
>> Lastly, is it really possible to love everybody as ourselves?
>> I know that for me it is not. I am not even convinced that to
>> do so is advisable.
>
>Lets try to love ones closest to us first -- our mother and father.
>This taught me lot of things how to love others.
>
>> Salams,
>> -Michael-
>
>salam
>------------Dear Michael
Jesus said love my neighbor. The task is a commandment. He said Love God
with all my heart, soul, and mind. This is a commandment also. Jesus did
not say who my neigbor was, but I believe it is anyone, cause he also said
Love my enemy, bless those who curse me, and turn the other cheek among many
things.
God in me can love God in all others. Through the spirit can I love. Through
myself and ego I cannot. My Mother and Father are dead. My best friend and
partner is dead. I could hate God because they are dead, but I don't,
Because they are alive in God as I am. I don't hate the leader of Iraq. I
hate violence done to people but not the people that do violence. I was
raped and abused and I do not hate these people, I pray for them to find
peace and love. I forgive those who have harmed me. I have learned that
bitterness leads to depression and pain and forgiveness to peace. Kaffea Lalla
------------------------------
From: pathway@dnet.net (John Womack)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:56:29 -0500
Subject: If
Amen, Kafee Lala, America is my home too; and along with my Cherokee
ancestors, I know that the Earth is our home, too; and it's inhabitants
are our neigbors. Yes, we have differences - isn't that wonderful? Some
of the differences show up on the Tariqus Net. Forget, for a moment, the
newscasts - yes, they are awful. But consider the Tariqus Net: I don't
know that I have ever heard so many different people with different
religious, economic and political points of view meet in such a civil
exchange. I sense differences yes, and emotion and conviction too, and yet
a cautions degree of patient listening. If, just maybe, If we have the
opportunity to trust each other long enough to not swing out in
self-defense, we may find that we really are brothers and sisters, and that
we have more to learn than we have to teach. Do we really realize that we
are pioneers? And If we can learn to work with each other, maybe we can
then turn our attention and sober committment toward our common mother, our
deeply endangered planet that we call Earth. John.
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From: Fred Rice <darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:13:18 +1000 (EST)
Subject: caffeine
Assalamu alaikum / Peace be with you,
Does anyone know of any recommendations/non-recommendations regarding
caffeine sources (coffee/tea/guarana/etc.) from a Sufi viewpoint?
(I've been taking a lot of caffeine lately, and I don't think it's
done me good....)
Thanks,
Wassalam,
Fariduddien
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From: Zainuddin Ismail <sham@po.pacific.net.sg>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:59:18 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: Re: caffeine
Salam.The Quranic dictum is to take only what is "halalan toyyiban" that is
lawful and wholesome.Even then the greatest Sufi who ever lived never took
anything even vegetal things until satiation.
Coffee seems to be okay but in small doses.Some take it to bring their
feelings down to earth.The moment anything becomes harmful one should stop
taking it.The body must be sensitive enough to send signals so listen to
your body.It has the best barometer.But if the body is always full and never
fasting how can you learn what the body is telling you ?
It is the refined sugar in the coffee which appears to be harmful not coffee
per se.Anyway Allah knows best or as they say in Arabic WallaLlahu 'alam.
P/S If you need anything detail on caffeine from a Muslim medical
researcher's point of view I dont mind extracting the same for you.But do
let me know.I dont what to be presumptuous and send you too many materials.
At 19:13 9/9/96 +1000, you wrote:
>
>Assalamu alaikum / Peace be with you,
>
>Does anyone know of any recommendations/non-recommendations regarding
>caffeine sources (coffee/tea/guarana/etc.) from a Sufi viewpoint?
>
>(I've been taking a lot of caffeine lately, and I don't think it's
>done me good....)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Wassalam,
>
>Fariduddien
>
>
>
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From: frank gaude <frank@sierra.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 07:01:09 -0700
Subject: RUMI 408
HOW LONG
can i lament
with this depressed
heart and soul
how long
can i remain
a sad autumn
ever since my grief
has shed my leaves
the entire space
of my soul
is burning in agony
how long can i
hide the flames
wanting to rise
out of this fire
how long can one suffer
the pain of hatred
of another human
a friend behaving like an enemy
with a broken heart
how much more
can i take the message
from body to soul
i believe in love
i swear by love
believe me my love
how long
like a prisoner of grief
can i beg for mercy
you know i'm not
a piece of rock or steel
but hearing my story
even water will become
as tense as a stone
if i can only recount
the story of my life
right out of my body
flames will grow
RUMI, ghazal number 408, translated May 12, 1992,
by Nader Khalili.
tanzen
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From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:06:10 +0100
Subject: re: if
Amen, Kafee Lala, America is my home too; and along with my Cherokee
ancestors, I know that the Earth is our home, too; and it's inhabitants
are our neigbors. Yes, we have differences - isn't that wonderful? Some
of the differences show up on the Tariqus Net. Forget, for a moment, the
newscasts - yes, they are awful. But consider the Tariqus Net: I don't
know that I have ever heard so many different people with different
religious, economic and political points of view meet in such a civil
exchange. I sense differences yes, and emotion and conviction too, and yet
a cautions degree of patient listening. If, just maybe, If we have the
opportunity to trust each other long enough to not swing out in
self-defense, we may find that we really are brothers and sisters, and that
we have more to learn than we have to teach. Do we really realize that we
are pioneers? And If we can learn to work with each other, maybe we can
then turn our attention and sober committment toward our common mother, our
deeply endangered planet that we call Earth. John.
- ----------
Dear John and to the people of tariqas. I have been defensive and emotional
on this issue, and we all do have more in common than I realize. I have a
great deal more to learn than to teach. I think it is true we all want peace
in our world. I am sorry if I offended anyone. I do trust my brothers and
sisters, and
we can be pioneers here. I think also I have been quite arrogant and self
obsorbed. Kaffea Lalla
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From: Ellen L Price <ellenp@U.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:17:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Bee's and Madness
The "bees" were prbably yellow jackets, that do eat meat, not honey bees,
which only imbibe in pollen and flower nectar.
Ellen
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote:
> I was peacefully eating my chiken, oblivious to the world, when a swarm of
> meat eating bee's was suddenly all over my chicken, darting between my eyes
> and around my head like giant monsters in my mind. All my peace loving
> ideas flew away and I grabbed a sack of stuff and swung it around my head
> like david and goliath. Soon I saw I was overcome by an army of hungry angry
> bees, and I grabbed my chicken and ran home, knowing that this was the only
> path, the one of least resistance. Fortunately not one bee was killed and I
> am now quite forgiving of my madness. Many people eyed the strange woman
> circling around like a dervish with a sack of potatoes, only for a moment
> she was at war.
> Kaffea Lalla
>
>
------------------------------
From: frank gaude <frank@sierra.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:26:07 -0700
Subject: Re: If
John Womack wrote:
[...]
> But consider the Tariqus Net: I don't
> know that I have ever heard so many different people with different
> religious, economic and political points of view meet in such a civil
> exchange.
[...]
Bravo, John... encore!
Love, harmony, and beauty, may the message reach far and wide,
tanzen
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From: frank gaude <frank@sierra.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:10:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Love thy Neighbor
Hello, everybody!
maarof wrote:
>
> Salam to all mankind and jinns,
>
> Michael Moore wrote:
> >
> > Jacquie Weller wrote:
> > >
> > > I surrender my ideas about the Iraq and the USA being there.
> > > Peace can only exist if people truly love their neighbor as
> > > themselves.
> > > Kaffea Lalla
> > [...]
> > Do we think that Mohammad (saws) loved everybody? Perhaps he
> > did, but if so, then this particular kind of love must not
> > preclude war. If he did not love everybody then are we enjoined
> > to do so?
This loving your neighbor as yourself is a "problem", a stumbling block
for many. Jesus is reported to have given an answer to who your neighbor
is in the Parable of the Good Sumaritan, "the one who shows you mercy"!
See Luke 10:37 for the punch line to loving neighbor.
>From Huna sources your neighbor is anyone who helps you. (You are the
neighbor to anyone you help.) And your closest neighbor is your
subconscious, the child within, the friend that takes care of all your
bodily functions. Could you have a closer neighbor? Start by loving your
friend within, then all the rest of you, then your parents, your
children, your physical neighbors, your associates, your country people,
all the people of the earth, the rock people, the plants, the animals,
the jinn, and the angels. There, that does it... you now love God!
>From other ancient sources it is said we are placed here to "help one
another". Certainly the path to truth and peace has something to do with
helping one another. That seems to be what love is all about, don't you
think?
> I don't think we are able to grasp or imagine the love of Muhammad (saw)
> towards living creatures. I think there are sheikh or teachers, who
> by their presence alone can "transmit" this kind of love. When I
> read the Beautiful Names posted to the list, I feel awed and
> humble by the beauty/love in those Names.
>
> > Lastly, is it really possible to love everybody as ourselves?
> > I know that for me it is not. I am not even convinced that to
> > do so is advisable.
I believe with all my heart that one loves others as one loves oneself.
Thus one is to come to terms with just what love is, and how to love,
starting first with self, and finally Self is all there is.
> Lets try to love ones closest to us first -- our mother and father.
> This taught me lot of things how to love others.
Right on the mark, maarof!
There are an infinite number of levels of "love" and the word is so
overused... we start with physical love, move to mental or intellectual
love, and the high love is spiritual love, or agape as the early
Christians called communual love, which is Godly or brotherly/sisterly
love.
One thing I have been doing the last few years is to try to see the
equal worth of all things, all beings, and show them that because of
their worth they receive love from all quarters. When you think about it
we each have worth or else we would not be of the create world. So we
know that creator (Allah) loves us and we must be worthy of that love, a
love beyond our senses! I say as we love ourselves we love our neighbor,
period. So let's get on with loving self and soon we will love Self, all
there is. The first step is to make friends with our friend within, the
one carrying our history, all the "stuff" that holds us in place.
> > Salams,
> > -Michael-
>
> salam
Peace, peace, peace (starting with me, O Lord), the only power,
tanzen
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From: Zainuddin Ismail <sham@po.pacific.net.sg>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:15:26 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: Re: Love thy Neighbor
Muhammad came as the Mercy unto all the Universe as such the essense of the
Message of Islam is Love which is clearly discernible from the fact that the
most common formula
in the Quran is BismilahirRahmaanirRahmeem: In the name of Allah, (the Fount
of all that is )Infinitely Merciful, Loving and Gracious.Here was a human
being more modest than virgin hiding behind the curtain, the last to
withdraw the hand from a handshake, the one with a smile always,whose
laughter was never more than a lovely smile,who never said even "Uff" to his
servant though the latter served him for years.And whose roughest language
was "may his forehead be dusted" which he said to a person who wanted to
kill him , who starved so that the poor could eat, who married a toothless
woman past menopause with several childen , whose deeds not for one or two
years but for 63 years was a testimony of an Ocean of Divine Love.Like his
brother Prophet Jesus who came several hundred years ago , he was a
manifestation of Divine Love.It is the search for this vacuum of not knowing
Divine Love which is the unconscious drive behind all human beings.SalaLLAH
'ALAIHI WASSALAM.Your indulgence dear brothers and sisters.
At 17:14 9/8/96 +0100, you wrote:
>>Salam to all mankind and jinns,
>>
>>Michael Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Jacquie Weller wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I surrender my ideas about the Iraq and the USA being there.
>>> > Peace can only exist if people truly love their neighbor as
>>> > themselves.
>>> > Kaffea Lalla
>>> [...]
>>> Do we think that Mohammad (saws) loved everybody? Perhaps he
>>> did, but if so, then this particular kind of love must not
>>> preclude war. If he did not love everybody then are we enjoined
>>> to do so?
>>
>>I don't think we are able to grasp or imagine the love of Muhammad (saw)
>>towards living creatures. I think there are sheikh or teachers, who
>>by their presence alone can "transmit" this kind of love. When I
>>read the Beautiful Names posted to the list, I feel awed and
>>humble by the beauty/love in those Names.
>>
>>
>>> Lastly, is it really possible to love everybody as ourselves?
>>> I know that for me it is not. I am not even convinced that to
>>> do so is advisable.
>>
>>Lets try to love ones closest to us first -- our mother and father.
>>This taught me lot of things how to love others.
>>
>>> Salams,
>>> -Michael-
>>
>>salam
>>------------Dear Michael
>Jesus said love my neighbor. The task is a commandment. He said Love God
>with all my heart, soul, and mind. This is a commandment also. Jesus did
>not say who my neigbor was, but I believe it is anyone, cause he also said
>Love my enemy, bless those who curse me, and turn the other cheek among many
>things.
>God in me can love God in all others. Through the spirit can I love. Through
>myself and ego I cannot. My Mother and Father are dead. My best friend and
>partner is dead. I could hate God because they are dead, but I don't,
>Because they are alive in God as I am. I don't hate the leader of Iraq. I
>hate violence done to people but not the people that do violence. I was
>raped and abused and I do not hate these people, I pray for them to find
>peace and love. I forgive those who have harmed me. I have learned that
>bitterness leads to depression and pain and forgiveness to peace. Kaffea Lalla
>
>
------------------------------
From: frank gaude <frank@sierra.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 10:29:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Love thy Neighbor
Zainuddin Ismail wrote:
> [Muhammed] whose deeds not for one or two
> years but for 63 years was a testimony of an Ocean of Divine Love. Like his
> brother Prophet Jesus who came several hundred years ago, he was a
> manifestation of Divine Love. It is the search for this vacuum of not knowing
> Divine Love which is the unconscious drive behind all human beings.
Thank you, Zainuddin, for the confession of faith, very beautiful!
Was wondering, the 63 years, is that the earthly life span of Muhammad?
I was compelled to determine the age of Jesus' at his death about a year
ago and used High Self (intuition, heart) as a guide to obtaining the
information. The answer: 63 earth years. Now I took that at face value
until I realized that was my present age. Then you come with that same
age for Muhammad! Wow, do we believe in fate or not?
We are all manifestations of divine love! Since all is God how can there
be something that is not divine?
Pray, O Lord, send Thy peace that we all know Thee in Thy Mercy, in Thy
Love,
tanzen
------------------------------
From: "Michael J. Moore" <mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:44:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Love thy Neighbor
Zainuddin Ismail wrote:
>
> Muhammad came as the Mercy unto all the Universe as such the essense of the
> Message of Islam is Love which is clearly discernible from the fact that the
> most common formula
> in the Quran is BismilahirRahmaanirRahmeem: In the name of Allah, (the Fount
> of all that is )Infinitely Merciful, Loving and Gracious.Here was a human
> being more modest than virgin hiding behind the curtain, the last to
> withdraw the hand from a handshake, the one with a smile always,whose
> laughter was never more than a lovely smile,who never said even "Uff" to his
> servant though the latter served him for years.And whose roughest language
> was "may his forehead be dusted" which he said to a person who wanted to
> kill him , who starved so that the poor could eat, who married a toothless
> woman past menopause with several childen , whose deeds not for one or two
> years but for 63 years was a testimony of an Ocean of Divine Love.Like his
> brother Prophet Jesus who came several hundred years ago , he was a
> manifestation of Divine Love.It is the search for this vacuum of not knowing
> Divine Love which is the unconscious drive behind all human beings.SalaLLAH
> 'ALAIHI WASSALAM.Your indulgence dear brothers and sisters.
Dear Zainuddin,
You are not the only person to have this understanding of the prophet.
The problem
I have is in reconciling this view against the hadiths of the prophet.
For
example:
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794:
Narrated Anas:
Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet
and embraced Islam. The climate of
Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered
them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of
charity and to drink, their milk and urine
(as a medicine). They did so, and after they had
recovered from their ailment (became healthy)
they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and
killed the shepherd of the camels and took the
camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in
their pursuit and so they were (caught and)
brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands
and legs should be cut off and that their eyes
should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and
that their cut hands and legs should not be
cauterized, till they die.
see http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/hadith/bukhari/082.htm
I would love nothing more than for you to tell me that every hadith
where
Mohammad(saws) is portrayed as violent and cruel is a lie and that he
never did that. I really have a difficult time seeing love in this
hadith.
- -Michael-
------------------------------
From: Aaron McEmrys <iceblink@teleport.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 13:34:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Kaffea Lalla's question (was: pray for world peace etc.)
>
> Is it enough to have love in our hearts and pray that everything sorts
> itself out?
I just finished reading the novel "Kara Kush" by Idries Shah. It's a
very good book about the partisan resistance to the Soviet invasion of
Afganistan.
There is an episode in there that has stuck in my mind ever since.
The Eagle, a resistance leader, is trying to mount a very risky
surprise attack on a soviet-held airport. If it succeeds, the Soviet war
effort will be hamstrung. If not, the Afgans can look forward to many
more years of suffering.
The Eagle, on his journey south, stops along the way to try and get
help from other partisan groups.
The first stop is high in the mountains, in a remote, almost medieval
monestary, where a group of "dervishes" have been living for generations
with no human contact. They have heard that the Soviets will soon invade
their area, and they are preparing to resist.
They sit and meditate as servants bring them ancient chainmail, long
cavalry swords, and antique bows. They wear beautiful helmets and mount
great stallions. They look like something out of medieval myth. They
ride out of the monestary in a dazzling spectacle of chivalry. They are
doomed of course, the russians have assault helicopters, machine guns,
tanks, and thousands of men.
The Eagle continues his journey. He stays for a while with a very
powerful Pashtun warlord, the uncontested leader of 30,000 warriors. The
warlord is very supportive of the Eagle, and talks incessantly of his
hatred for the Russians. He is, however, unable to give any of his men
at this time - they are not quite well-equipped enough yet - he wants to
wait until he is *sure* they can win.
The Eagle comes down from the mountains and is moving toward the
airport, still unsure of exactly *how* he is going to take the airport.
When they are only a few miles from the airport, several Russian armored
personael carriers approach them at top speed. The Eagle orders his men
to get ready to fight, but not to open fire.
A young officer in a Russian uniform jumps out of the lead car - and
reports for duty! He, and over a hundred Russian soldiers have deserted
from the army, after planning their defection for months. They had only
been waiting for the right moment. Hearing that Kara Kush, the Eagle,
was going to attack the airport, they came to help - knowing nothing
about Kara Kush, except that he was fighting to free his people.
To me, it seems that some kind of action is necessary - but the tough
part is identifying "right" action. Prayer is action.
>
> Is it possible to take up such concerns while on a spiritual path? Is it
> possible not to?
>
> peace and blessings to all
>
> Lily
I've come to suspect that all this conflict in the outside world is
just a reflection of the conflict in our inner worlds, or vise versa.
I complain a lot about the government, and wonder how on earth all
these people get elected. Then I look inside myself - and reluctantly
admit that what I despise in politicians, is present in me too, maybe
all humans.
One step is to strive to eliminate the concept of seperation, of "outer
space" and "innerspace" being so different from each other. By
approaching both tasks the same way, and assigning them the same level
of importance? Of course, it's easy to *say* this kind of thing...
------------------------------
From: Aaron McEmrys <iceblink@teleport.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:43:35 -0700
Subject: Re: World Peace
Jesa Macbeth wrote:
>
> At 04:19 PM 07/09/1996 -0700, you wrote:
> > Point Taken! Thanks for noticing.
> >
> > Aaron
>
> You're more than welcome. I was just swithering about whether or not I
> wanted to stay subscribed to this list - I've only been on a few days.
> Thanks for validating my decision to do so.
>
> With love,
>
> Jesa
Please do stay on! If you hadn't brought this to my attention, maybe no
one would have. This kind of feedback is very important to me.
For me, reading sufic books is not an entirely pleasant experience. I
love the stories, the poetry, the feeling of expansion - but at the same
time, I always feel a little upset (as a plate or vessel can be upset).
I find myself questioning everything as I read; how does this apply to
me? Do I show these traits, these follies and impediments? - Oh, I think
I *do* possess this positive trait (pride) - or am I asking all these
questions of myself in part, because I believe that's what a sufi
student is *supposed* to do? Why do I reach so hard for learning? Is it
just a natural path for me, or because I want it to help me turn into
somebody other than myself?
I digress like this to thank you for giving me a mirror to see more
clearly in - because what I see in books is still colored by what I want
to see, expect to see, don't want to see etc...- a human voice works on
a whole different level . You answered me when I wasn't even *asking* a
question!
love, Aaron
------------------------------
From: Jinavamsa@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:17:06 -0400
Subject: Righteous in hell
to all,
I have found a reference to the Qur'an, of a verse describing the righteous
in hell, and it is understood to suggest that the righteous are willing to go
even into the worst of situations in acting from great tenderness, love, and
compassion.
Does anyone know the verse(s) that this might be about?
thank you.
in peace,
Jinavamsa
------------------------------
From: Jinavamsa@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:34:29 -0400
Subject: Re: caffeine
In a message dated 96-09-09 10:03:20 EDT, you write:
>P/S If you need anything detail on caffeine from a Muslim medical
>researcher's point of view I dont mind extracting the same for you.But do
>let me know.I dont what to be presumptuous and send you too many materials.
>At 19:13 9/9/96 +1000, you wrote:
>>
>>Assalamu alaikum / Peace be with you,
>>
>>Does anyone know of any recommendations/non-recommendations regarding
>>caffeine sources (coffee/tea/guarana/etc.) from a Sufi viewpoint?
>>
>>(I've been taking a lot of caffeine lately, and I don't think it's
>>done me good....)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Wassalam,
>>
>>Fariduddien
>>
well, seeing such sources certainly might be interesting. Nice to get
something from other than New Age reality every once in a while!
There was an old story that it was a Sufi who discovered coffee, that is, who
realized that there was a use of this little bean, to increase attentiveness
(Sufis being children of the present moment and all)... don't remember his
name off-hand.
it's true that being aware of the body and its signals helps here (as
elsewhere). Still, it sometimes takes a few minutes for the signals to start.
Drinking slowly and waiting before going for seconds (esp. at an espresso
bar!) can help here.
going from the sublime to the practical in one leap!
in peace,
heart beating at just the right pace, regularly, :)
Jinavamsa
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