From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 28 19:28:07 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20668; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:49:43 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA22556; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:37:49 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA22534; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:37:44 -0500 Received: from venere.inet.it by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23754; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:28:10 -0500 Received: from perseo.inet.it (perseo.inet.it [194.20.15.172]) by venere.inet.it (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA24712 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:28:07 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:28:07 GMT Message-Id: <199602281928.TAA24712@venere.inet.it> X-Sender: paterna@pop.inet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: paterna@perseo.it (Domenico Paterna) Subject: Help: Gnouwa brotherhood of Morocco Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 'Assalam 'Alaykum I bought a CD of moroccan sufi music by the Gnouwa brotherhood of Marrakesh. Can someone give me some information about this brotherhood a?nd is music? Shukran --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domenico Paterna | Come, come whoever you are, paterna@perseo.it | An unbeliever, a fire-worshipper, come. via Antonio Lecchi, 20 | Our convent is not of desperation. 20143 Milan | Even if you have broken your vows a hundred times, Italy | Come, come again. tel. +39-2-58104410 | ===Mevlana Jalal al-Din Rumi=== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 1 17:11:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23742; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:58:03 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA12763; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:13:26 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA12753; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:13:23 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15116; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:11:34 -0500 Received: from Sonora.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tsYME-000FgHC; Fri, 1 Mar 96 09:11 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 96 09:11 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Latif and Birthday Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Latif It has escaped everyone because no mind can contain the quintesance accept as just one other experience the visitation of the presence is an occurance and what occurs in perception now may vanish a mili second later the only permanence is its forever diesappearance so may our wives and may we their husbands always remain vieled never to disclose the secret of the soul. Jabriel ps Its my birthday today if everyone would say a small prayer regarding this small project involving the 99 Most beautifull Names perhaps Allah might have my life serve in away where others would feel closer to the Qualities which such a diffrence in life. If its not to much trouble either an al Fatiah or let me do it for us: Allah let us take a step closer to you today and not as a missionary or a teacher let us bring a stranger into the awareness of Your Bright Light and let that stranger be about the business of assisting a saint todo her work and let the whole world present past and future be touched beautifully by that one saint Your friend and Your servant my Love Allah on March 1st 1996 In sha Allah In sha Allah In sha Allah Amen. ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Mar 3 02:15:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12849; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 21:42:29 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA26050; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 21:17:47 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA26020; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 21:17:40 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01462; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 21:15:35 -0500 Received: from Discovery.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tt3KP-000FgIC; Sat, 2 Mar 96 18:15 PST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 96 18:15 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Khabir Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: al Khabir Will I ever be aware without a witness: than who might this non relational being, who loves me for no reason, be, to whom do I surrender? What stands beyond the petty pace of mediocrity this bankrupt world of good and bad? Allah, Allah you say and Mohammed is His Prophet, Will I ever know the Truth without it knowing me and if I know the Truth will it set the release of pain endured upon this planet for an illusory eternity When you say: There is no God but Thou glory be to Thee what is it which needs to go away as you declare an intent to pray witnessing: ashadu anna la illa ha illallah ashadu anna Mohammedan Rasul Allah Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 4 16:03:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29308; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:52:49 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA07754; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:16:44 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA07735; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:16:42 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19994; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:03:17 -0500 Received: from Ruxton.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ttcj4-000FgcC; Mon, 4 Mar 96 08:03 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 08:03 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: ya Azim Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Ya Azim My Lord when I was in the Grand Canyon and I in awe exclaimed: Magnificent! when reaching out in idleness through space and getting lost in its immensity I cried and felt so small when even in my vain attempt comparing You to a unified field, which also so they say, has no beginning and no end and which also which holds all possibilities I sleighted You! How do I know? Because for an instant I like I am sure every human being has passed beneath the shadow of Your shadow and then in awe spoke these words: I didn't know and then in ecstasy excalimed :Ya Asim! how could I know and then in ecstasy exclaimed: Ya Azim! Your magnificence like You my Lord cannot be known and yet the separation and the yearning spoken of as a necessity by each imam and by he You have sent to us and called Rasul, within the mind of this poor fool leaves a taste a thirst and a desire to belong there is a nostalgia, this is a broken reed Oh Ya Azim let me feel the atmosphere, Your splender and never again forget so I can be the courage and have the faith to be the space within that break. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 4 16:00:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01341; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:55:26 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA07714; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:16:38 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA07693; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:16:34 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18353; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:01:21 -0500 Received: from Ruxton.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ttcgV-000FbKC; Mon, 4 Mar 96 08:00 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 08:00 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: ya Azim Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Ya Azim My Lord when I was in the Grand Canyon and I in awe exclaimed: Magnificent! when reaching out in idleness through space and getting lost in its immensity I cried and felt so small when even in my vain attempt comparing You to a unified field, which also so they say, has no beginning and no end and which also which holds all possibilities I sleighted You! How do I know? Because for an instant I like I am sure every human being has passed beneath the shadow of Your shadow and then in awe spoke these words: I didn't know and then in ecstasy excalimed :Ya Asim! how could I know and then in ecstasy exclaimed: Ya Azim! Your magnificence like You my Lord cannot be known and yet the separation and the yearning spoken of as a necessity by each imam and by he You have sent to us and called Rasul, within the mind of this poor fool leaves a taste a thirst and a desire to belong there is a nostalgia, this is a broken reed Oh Ya Azim let me feel the atmosphere, Your splender and never again forget so I can be the courage and have the faith to be the space within that break. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 4 16:03:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02012; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:56:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA08008; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:17:54 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA07991; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:17:51 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20439; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:03:47 -0500 Received: from Ruxton.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ttciz-000FfoC; Mon, 4 Mar 96 08:03 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 08:03 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: al Halim Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: al Halim I have from my first breath stole another teach me how I may make amends this mind was torn before the age of three it knew nothing of a will and struggled in vanity for some impression which might liberate or set it free I stand mostly less than human this seems like my capacity survival is about all I really know. When Sartre wrote "The Wall" I understood and stood reduced to enuresis I am a recovering alcoholic we're a different lot so I do not know, but think I might not be so different from my brothers or my sisters and I do not know but think they might face the same degradation and sense of outrage from their disloyalty My Lord give me strength to make amends to all who say they know harm from knowing me my Lord awaken in me this capacity if it exits to be a righteous man and if not that than give me the strength when turning my back on you my Lord to-do it consciously when stealing, to-do it and release the pain I feel knowing that I am stealing from myself And when coveting my neighbors sense of place and of belonging Lord give me eyes to see the consequences and courage to dare to look and still stay loving loving loving you my God. that which this tattered mind could never know having faith that You as You Will set me free even from myself or if You don't than acting as I do will serve Your greater plan unconsciously. Estaufruallah al Halim estaufruallah as Halim estaufruallah al Halim help me to surrender to surrender to surrender Lord take this pain and let it go let me let myself release release the knot within my heart turn it back from stone to flesh have my life give to another life have my life have another turn to You and radiate the spender of Your quality of Atmosphere let be a worm within your garden Lord let me feed the soil or the thirsty root of just one weed. Ja briel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 4 18:22:37 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25044; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:57:42 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA03443; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:23:44 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA03426; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:23:39 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01495; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:21:54 -0500 Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA26763 for tariqas@world.std.com; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:22:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:22:37 -0500 Message-Id: <960304132227_159800936@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Lost Post on One Cheek slapped Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: hello all at Tariqas. I have been searcing for a posting from Tariqas that discussed, among other topics, the image of being slapped on one cheek, as understood by one shaykh. It came sometime in this last week or so. If anyone has it available, would you mind forwarding it to me? thank you. in peace, Jinavamsa From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 4 07:21:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04816; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:12:59 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA04594; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:28:05 -0500 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA04578; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:27:59 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQafnx15745; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18973; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:22:30 -0500 Received: from Bowen.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ttUag-000FbKC; Sun, 3 Mar 96 23:21 PST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 96 23:21 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: al Halim Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: al Halim I have from my first breath stole another teach me how I may make amends this mind was torn before the age of three it knew nothing of a will and struggled in vanity for some impression which might liberate or set it free I stand mostly less than human this seems like my capacity survival is about all I really know. When Sartre wrote "The Wall" I understood and stood reduced to enuresis I am a recovering alcoholic we're a different lot so I do not know, but think I might not be so different from my brothers or my sisters and I do not know but think they might face the same degradation and sense of outrage from their disloyalty My Lord give me strength to make amends to all who say they know harm from knowing me my Lord awaken in me this capacity if it exits to be a righteous man and if not that than give me the strength when turning my back on you my Lord to-do it consciously when stealing, to-do it and release the pain I feel knowing that I am stealing from myself And when coveting my neighbors sense of place and of belonging Lord give me eyes to see the consequences and courage to dare to look and still stay loving loving loving you my God. that which this tattered mind could never know having faith that You as You Will set me free even from myself or if You don't than acting as I do will serve Your greater plan unconsciously. Estaufruallah al Halim estaufruallah as Halim estaufruallah al Halim help me to surrender to surrender to surrender Lord take this pain and let it go let me let myself release release the knot within my heart turn it back from stone to flesh have my life give to another life have my life have another turn to You and radiate the spender of Your quality of Atmosphere let be a worm within your garden Lord let me feed the soil or the thirsty root of just one weed. Ja briel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 4 06:09:31 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11268; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:04:36 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA10245; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:29:37 -0500 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA10148; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:29:25 -0500 From: BabaS1@aol.com Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQafns10583; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA21292 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:09:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:09:31 -0500 Message-Id: <960304010930_159465117@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: A request Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone with permission to give the information know how to contact Shams Friedlander, and could he or she please forward that information to me? Many thanks. Sheikh Shem Friedlander now lives in Caro, Egypt and is very difficult to be reached. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Mar 5 01:29:41 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12686; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:33:09 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA20169; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:31:58 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10693; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:30:50 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA19901; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:29:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:29:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199603050129.UAA19901@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Admin request Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Mon Mar 4 20:29:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: from cad4.eng.ohio-state.edu by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA19859; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:29:35 -0500 Received: by cad4.eng.ohio-state.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10066; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:31:57 -0500 From: mkoc@cad4.eng.ohio-state.edu (Koc Muammer) Message-Id: <9603050131.AA10066@cad4.eng.ohio-state.edu> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:31:57 +22299440 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 21 PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Mar 5 16:30:33 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27013; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:58:27 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA17800; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:15:53 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA17794; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:15:51 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01851; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:14:00 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA14874 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:11:25 +0800 Message-Id: <199603050111.JAA14874@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 5-Mar-1996 9:17:55 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Jabriel X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 014D3C31816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Jabriel Date: 05 Mar 96 16:30:33 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Jabriel, I am sending again this message which never reached you. Dear brother Jabriel, I hope you have received my previous posting with comments to some of your earlier poems. I have particularly appreciated the depth of the latest ones. I am including a message I sent to Mustafa, and wonder if the proposal may interest you. Love Rabia ENCL message Dear Mustafa, you have been very quiet for a long time, I miss your voice on tariqas. I imagine you have been very pressed. have you read the interesting poems from Jabriel? They are really raw diamonds, they need polishing, but what a treasure box of richness, original expression and depth! I know he is looking for feedback and a publisher, and I thought, perhaps we could get together 5 or 6 sufi poets and write an athology of sufi poems together, may be "Drunken Voices"? I would love to act as editor, though i do not even know what that involves...maybe we could find a publisher, maybe not...the exercise would still be worthwhile...Would you be interested? Would you know one or 2 more poets who could be interested in the project? Hope all is well with you, love Rabi From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Mar 5 16:57:55 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23639; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:29:17 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA22021; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:45:01 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA22009; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:44:56 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17201; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:41:23 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA15474 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:39:02 +0800 Message-Id: <199603050139.JAA15474@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 5-Mar-1996 9:45:15 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Gift X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 0C533C31816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Gift Date: 05 Mar 96 16:57:55 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: To dearest Jabriel, happy return! You are always in my prayers. To Habib, kindest host of tariqas, to the friends: Mustafa' Abdul, Kemal and Aisha Gul, Farid, Maharaj, Domenico, Jinanvamsa, Brad, Janet, and all the other friends whose names i may not know yet, to all those who can take from it what is in it, a birthday gift to all: WATERWORDS as FOOTPRINTS RIf the ocean were ink to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhinguished than would the words of my LordS Koran, Sura XVIII 109 (The cave) 1. BAB SHARIA Words are footprints of God, but His feet are Love and Knowledge, sounds are footprints of God, His voice the sound of Silence, images are footprints of God, His face is formless Beauty... why stop at the footprints, they only lead to the shore : Plunge into the Sea instead, and your heart will be embraced by the symphony of Self-disclosing Meaning 2. BAB TARIQA R Sit with your comrades, do not go to sleep; do not go to the bottom of the sea like a fish. Be surging all night like the sea; no, do not go scattered like a torrent. Is not the water of life in darkness?S Jalaluddin Rumi LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA Words are watermarks of Allah His feet Love and Knowledge,light to walk over quagmires of unreality, ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ^ILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLA Sounds are marks of Allah, His body a column of vibrations, His voice the horn of Silence ILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLA why stop at the watermarks, they only lead to the shore of Love: LLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAH HUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHU plunge into the See Mystery instead, let your heart be washed out by the flood of All-disclosing Sound HAYHAYHATHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAHAYHAYHAYHAYY RVerily we established his power on earth, and we gave him the ways and the means to all ends...S Sura 109, the Cave v 84 3. BAB HAQQ Their truth is printed on books but our haqq is stamped on living souls by the ring of power; wherever you see His seal mark, search for the finger of the Beloved: He canUt be too far... They write Your words in books, we read Your words in us; wherever you find His signs, look for the Beloved: He is close by They print coral books of You with dark lettering of lead but YOur Book is blown over golden waves of light on the scroll of Sea; and when we drink at His water jar we sip the Beloved: for He is here within us They read Your holy books searching for inspiration We reed our KORAN with the breath of expiration whenever we remember His sound We become His Dhikr RUntil he reached a tract bewteen two mountains... I will erect a strong barrier between you and then...S Sura 109 v.93-95 if you should hear ZulqarnainUs horns in the distance, do listen for Him, for wHo is within the sound behind the sound the space beyond the space of spacelesness if not Him? @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ in the gap between @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ the Barriers of Gog and Magog, between the tides of outer and inner, the hordes of s and s, the mountains of time and space, surging giant ridges of < When-then> and < Where-there >, children of time gaze the molten gateway suspended at the hinges of breath holding within Haqq THE REALITY OF HERENOW! 4. BAB MARIFA ROn that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another... and We shall collect them all togetherS Sura the Cave v 99 Lovers drown in seas of incandescent sands, shipwrecked by their wild desire, they throw at the sea all they have, their bodies, their minds, their RISs, their eyes... still the sinking ship is found too heavy, then they give up the vessel itself, all Jonases, they throw themselves overboard to the depths of a devouring whale; dispairing of ever reaching shore, their cargo of self plunges them to an Abyss of death, but even there they find His footprints carved in every rib of the Fish, so they surrender with their last breath even their own desperation, clinging no more to the float of their own shame and remorse, washed out by the power of sea, free from all traces of past, they sink, float free and emerge , new as dry cuttlefish bones surge with the surf at the beachline, in that lightness their bones raising to the Light gently are laid in the bay of His harbour under a shade of refreshing Green... until the call of IsraelUs Conch blown with the winds of the universe resonates in your own heart the voice of Maliki Yawmaddeen: Wake up from such annihilation! resting in Oasis for a moon, what is mirage for others, claim as your own Miraj in this single night of power! and one morning at dawn, at the break of gentle light, the draughts of Ramadhan being over, you find yourself wishing to drink to the fill the holy waters of Rahman and you , a cup for your beloved! Month of Ramadan 199 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Mar 5 03:14:05 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26202; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:17:27 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA05698; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:17:26 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24332; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:14:06 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA05158; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:14:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:14:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199603050314.WAA05158@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Admin request Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Mon Mar 4 22:14:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from relay7.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA05145; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:14:02 -0500 Received: from rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP id QQafoc28196; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from annexr2-20.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE by rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA70320 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:36:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:36:58 +0100 Message-Id: <199603040836.AA70320@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> X-Sender: a0158@rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@europe.std.com From: b.meyer@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Bernhard Meyer) Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe Bernhard Meyer Bernhard Meyer Aachener Str. 5 Dipl.-Psych. Internationaler Bund D - 51145 Koeln Berufsbildungszentrum Koeln Tel.: +49 2203 25346 Pfaelzischer Ring 102 D - 51063 Koeln b.meyer@rrz.uni-koeln.de Tel.: +49 221 9809-125 Compuserve: 100436,1715 Fax: +49 221 9809-222 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Mar 5 04:18:29 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17520; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:52:59 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA14498; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:18:08 -0500 Received: from bbs.cruzio.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA14483; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:18:03 -0500 Received: from pine196.cruzio.com by bbs.cruzio.com id aa11032; 4 Mar 96 20:17 PST X-Sender: dances@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:18:29 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: james hallam Subject: The Archer Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Spirit flies swift as an arrow shooting the rapids of our marrow The Archer knows our state though still we debate hand, bow, arrow, target are one and the same The illusion of movement,through His breath,is seen to be His name. *142*857*142*857*142*857*142*857*142*857*142*857* 1 UNIVERSAL TRAVELING WORKSHOP 1 4 ******(408)(425)(3163)****** 4 2 If Thy eye be single 2 * Thy whole body be full of light * 8 8 5 5 7 7 *142*857*142*857*142*857*142*857*142*857*142*857* From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Mar 5 02:00:35 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11088; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:00:02 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA02677; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:35:18 -0500 Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA02641; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:35:12 -0500 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ab13558; 5 Mar 96 6:35 GMT Received: from xeno.demon.co.uk ([158.152.97.105]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa07949; 5 Mar 96 6:32 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 11:06:53 Message-Id: <261@xeno.demon.co.uk> From: Giles Davidson Organization: None To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Persian Sufi poetry X-Mailer: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 14 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Asalamu alaykum, >From what I've heard the term raw is applied to on who is initiated but whose training is incomplete rather than to someone who has not even put their foot on the path. In particular, in that context it applied to those who had been given permission to teach but were not yet able to do so independantly of their Sheikh. If such people cut loose and work independantly they become a source of spiritual danger to those who sit with them as they may well have acquired power and charisma without having tamed their ego. I know of a couple of instances of British men acting as independant sheikhs in this manner. -- Giles Davidson From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Mar 5 16:17:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24953; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:06:49 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA03780; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:23:24 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA03738; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:23:18 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22700; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:17:27 -0500 Received: from Hardwicke.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ttzQG-000FchC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 08:17 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 08:17 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: ash Shakur Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: ash Shakur I looked into his eyes and breathed a breath of ether than fleetingly my heart expanded in my chest and a universe in all of its immensity opened to an eye of certainty, in just a glance, whereby a faith the likes of which cannot be marked, something carved itself and made a cut into the fabric of my soul, here than is the mark of my Pir and a sisala and yet, it wasn't even him to whom I met, just his young son, Zia He taught me after extending my attention to earth, water, air and fire to address the fifth, and breathing in to say: ash Shakur, ash Shakur, ash Shakur It all comes from Allah, it all returns to Allah, thankfulness is good returned by good and turned transmuting as a butterfly into a state called ether, comprising everything and compromising nothing with a sweet breath and easy testtest of giving up something to be in the myst ash Shaku ash Shakur ash Shakur. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From Majordomo-Owner@world.std.com Tue Mar 5 23:21:23 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10710; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:21:21 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA00312; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:21:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:21:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199603052321.SAA00312@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: Majordomo@world.std.com Subject: APPROVE tariqas Reply-To: Majordomo@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: -- MJVBEG@jazz.ucc.uno.edu requests that you approve the following: unsubscribe tariqas mjvbeg@uno.edu If you approve, please send a message such as the following back to Majordomo@world.std.com (with the appropriate PASSWORD filled in, of course): approve PASSWORD unsubscribe tariqas mjvbeg@uno.edu If you disapprove, do nothing. 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Majordomo@world.std.com From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Mar 6 00:32:03 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10913; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:07:11 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA12114; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:33:06 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA12104; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:33:02 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23249; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:31:19 -0500 Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA10331 for tariqas@world.std.com; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:32:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <960305193201_161111896@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: The Sirdar Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: to all on the path to Love Allah, The Sirdar Ikbal Ali Shah wrote in the Preface to his work, Islamic Sufism: But, above all, it is the callousness of mankind to-wards its fellow beings to-day which gives alarm in the minds of the sagacious in spiritual things... Never was there such an "inhuman dearth of noble natures." This was first published in 1933. there seems to be no end to this .... in peace, Jinavamsa PS I have the Delhi reprint of 1979, by Idarah-i Adabiyat-i Delli. Would anyone know what the precise meaning is of the "Sirdar" part of his name? I understand that it is a title. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Mar 6 04:35:41 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26916; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:59:06 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA14118; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:34:49 -0500 Received: from cwis.unomaha.edu by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA14108; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:34:46 -0500 Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17875; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:35:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9603060435.AA17875@cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Re: The Sirdar To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:35:41 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Bennett Cc: rbennett@cwis.unomaha.edu (Richard Bennett) In-Reply-To: <960305193201_161111896@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "Jinavamsa@aol.com" at Mar 5, 96 07:32:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 866 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 786 asalaam brother, > > to all on the path to Love Allah, > > The Sirdar Ikbal Ali Shah wrote in the Preface to his work, Islamic Sufism: > But, above all, it is the callousness of mankind to-wards its fellow beings > to-day which gives alarm in the minds of the sagacious in spiritual things... > Never was there such an "inhuman dearth of noble natures." nice quote and very true....especially in this day and age > > This was first published in 1933. > might anyone know here i might obtain a copy of this work?...the library here doesn't seem to possess it. wasalaam, abdul ghani > there seems to be no end to this .... > > in peace, > Jinavamsa > PS I have the Delhi reprint of 1979, by Idarah-i Adabiyat-i Delli. Would > anyone know what the precise meaning is of the "Sirdar" part of his name? I > understand that it is a title. > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Mar 6 15:41:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29627; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:28:10 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA13173; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:45:27 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA13156; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:45:24 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02067; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:41:55 -0500 Received: from Twin.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tuLLQ-000Fj5C; Wed, 6 Mar 96 07:41 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 07:41 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Ali Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Ali At the Blue Musque in Istanbul I looked upon Your servant's sword and the greatness of a warrior, remember the story: the young fighter who spit in his face just before he was about to strike which had him turn and say "Your not in twain because of the anger I have felt" who was this cousin who would only kill for You and struck this child with quite a diffrent light a type of annihilation which turned a man into a rose without a thorn who if you asked about his name he would reply la ilha ilillah there is only One that's Great Your servant named Ali, peace be upon him and his family, imbued a quality and pursuit whereby his name became his creed, his name became a vow, his name in fact if one might dare was as sacred as baptism can be, and became the secret of his soul and yet in all his life he would admit the Name Ali belongs to You as everything belongs to You and stands beyond the intellect Ali has no place and yet is closer to every electron in creation then the space that seperates molecule from molecule Ali is that which holds all order among existing atoms and Ali in the light of generosity is a blade aimed at the heart not like any blade at all. Jabriel .. ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Mar 6 19:41:22 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07518; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:32:32 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA29319; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:45:33 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA29303; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:45:28 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04322; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:40:35 -0500 Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18960 for tariqas@world.std.com; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:41:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:41:22 -0500 Message-Id: <960306144122_439643275@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: The Sirdar Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-03-05 23:37:47 EST, you write: >> This was first published in 1933. >> >might anyone know here i might obtain a copy of this work?...the library here >doesn't seem to possess it. >wasalaam, >abdul ghani hello Abdul, The exact author citation and title: Islamic Sufism by Sirdar Ikbal Ali Shah. The first edition from 1933 is probably out of print by now. :-) It was London (Rider). The edition I have here is 1979, Delhi, Idarah-i Adbiyat-i Delli (Publisher) 2009 Qasimjan St. Delhi 6 India that's spelled idarah-i adbiyat-i delli, by the way. (in case your upper case i and lower case l look alike on your screen). There is also a US reprint, by either Samuel Weiser or Schocken Books. I do not know if any of these is still in print. good luck in your search, Jinavamsa From MJVBEG@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Thu Mar 7 09:33:08 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27586; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:35:34 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id EAA23155; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:35:33 -0500 From: MJVBEG@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Received: from jazz.ucc.uno.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27384; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:33:03 -0500 Received: from jazz.ucc.uno.edu by jazz.ucc.uno.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #11893) id <01I21JSI4GBW93DVMX@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> for tariqas-approval@world.std.com; Thu, 07 Mar 1996 03:33:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 03:33:08 -0600 (CST) To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I21JSI4GBY93DVMX@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"tariqas-approval@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: From: IN%"Majordomo@world.std.com" 5-MAR-1996 19:29:43.62 To: IN%"MJVBEG@uno.edu" CC: Subj: Majordomo results Return-path: Received: from europe.std.com by jazz.ucc.uno.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #11893) id <01I1ZK5YWJTC93DYWQ@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> for MJVBEG@jazz.ucc.uno.edu; Tue, 05 Mar 1996 17:21:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA00288; Tue, 05 Mar 1996 18:21:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 18:21:19 -0500 From: Majordomo@world.std.com Subject: Majordomo results To: MJVBEG@uno.edu Reply-to: Majordomo@world.std.com Message-id: <199603052321.SAA00288@europe.std.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT -- >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE TARIQAS mjvbeg@uno.edu Your request to Majordomo@world.std.com: unsubscribe tariqas mjvbeg@uno.edu has been forwarded to the owner of the "tariqas" list for approval. 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Majordomo@world.std.com From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Mar 7 18:54:22 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27572; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:22:19 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA10520; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:01:05 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA10506; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:01:01 -0500 Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04953; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:56:27 -0500 Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA12838; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:56:26 -0500 Date: 07 Mar 96 13:54:22 EST From: Ira Kaufman <76260.1106@compuserve.com> To: tariqas Subject: letter on power and blesing of sacred music Message-Id: <960307185421_76260.1106_CHK41-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: March 7, 1996 Dear friends and brothers and sisters : I am writing to share with you the importance of bringing together a strong spiritual presence at the World Sacred Music Festival and Conference in Fez, Morocco, May 23- June 4, 1996. This is a gathering of master musicians, scholars, seekers, and wise people from many traditions. People of a like mind and heart who value music, recitations,and sound are coming together; it is a time for focusing on the real power of sound and music. The Festival's location in Fez, Morocco reminds us of the Golden Age in Spain- where the Moorish influence reached deep into Europe at a time when the rest of Europe was plunged into the Dark Ages; where Christian, Muslim, and Jew lived and worked in harmony and cooperated in the pursuit of knowledge in science, philosophy and literature. This Golden Age gave birth to sacred music. These sounds will fill the spiritual centers during the festival in Fez, where people of diverse backgrounds have lived in peace for over a millennium. We live in times in which the forces of darkness and suffering are very strong. Yet, there is an awakening to the power of sound and music. High level brain researchers have used sound and music with profound implications in the treatment of autism, learning disorders, attention deficient disorder, and dyslexia. As we come together toward the new Millennium in the Christian era, people of the heart share a deep spiritual commitment with a sense of the unity and truth which resides in all mystical traditions, including but not limited to Sufic- Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. These traditions have a great treasure in their sacred music. The proper use of these sounds and recitations can have a profound effect on the world today. For ten days those sounds will emanate from the most sacred city in Morocco to the world. One of the Sufi Masters, Shaykh Ahmed Abdur Rashid, who will attend this Festival recently said, " We have the responsibility to join with others who are committed and who understand the power of sacred music. Our meeting and talking with one another can create a strong intention (niyyat), that God has given us to begin to make the needed changes in the world. We need to combine the strength of our sincerity, and the knowledge of the Masters of Wisdom and tap into His power for the good of the world. This festival can be one step in the ushering in of another Golden Age. Each person with an open heart who attends will be especially empowered to transmit to others the depth and blessings of the sacred music." I know many of you feel the same way! I am anxious to hear your response. In my professional capacity, I have been given the opportunity to coordinate the North American participation to the World Sacred Music Festival. Its not often we get the opportunity to be with committed people, warm and sincere friends, in a relaxing environment. If this is of interest, please contact me. I would enjoin discussing this with you in detail via email or over land line. My telephone number is (O) 703 549 3630. Warm regards, Dr. Ira Kaufman From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Mar 7 20:07:36 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05590; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:21:21 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA22529; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:25:05 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA22524; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:25:02 -0500 Received: from halon.sybase.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26952; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:21:31 -0500 Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AB11831; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:21:52 -0800 Received: from serii.sybase.com ([158.159.40.63]) by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA20988; Thu, 7 Mar 96 12:21:27 PST Received: by serii.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA13501; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:07:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:07:36 -0800 From: mateens@sybase.com (Mateen Siddiqui) Message-Id: <9603072007.AA13501@serii.sybase.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: ANNOUNCING: International Islamic Unity Conference X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Bismillah al-Rahman al-Raheem was-salaat was-salaam `alaa Rasul-illah wa 'alaa alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam B i s m i l l a h a r - R a h m a n a r - R a h e e m ************************************************************************ * A N N O U N C I N G * * * * I N T E R N A T I O N A L I S L A M I C U N I T Y * * * * C O N F E R E N C E * * * * DATES: AUGUST 2-4, 1996 * * * * LOCATION: LOS ANGELES * * * * WESTIN BONAVENTURE HOTEL * * * ************************************************************************ A s - S a l a a m 'a l a y k u m w a r a h m a t u l l a h As-Sunnah Foundation of America, and American Muslim Assistance relief organization are pleased to announce the upcoming International Islamic Unity Conference, to take place on August 2nd, 3rd and fourth in Los Angeles. This conference is unusual in that it is featuring a number of very high-level Muslim politicians, Islamic activists and 'ulama from around the globe. Some of the better-known international figures WHO HAVE ACCEPTED to speak at this conference are: Dr. Anwar Ibrahim, deputy prime minister of Malaysia Prince Raja Ashman Azlan Shah of Malaysia Raees al-'ulama of Bosnia, Dr. Mustafa Ceric Shaykh Muhammad Nazim Adil, mufti of Cyprus Y.B. Encik Hishammuddin Tun Hussein, MP, Malaysia Dr. Pehin Abdul Aziz Omer, Minister of Education, Brunei Shaykh 'Isa al-Man'i, Deputy Minister of Religion, United Arab Emirates Shaykh as-Sayyid Yusuf ar-Rufa'i, former Minister of Education of Kuwait Shaykh Ahmad Koftaro, mufti of Syria Dr. Hassan Abbas Zaki, former Minister of Finance, Egypt Dr. Tahir al-Qadri, renowned author, da'ee, Pakistan Shaykh Muhammad Alawi Maliki, scholar and author, Saudi Arabia Yusuf Islam, renowned convert and da'ee from England Dr. Ali Muhyidin Qardaghi, president Kurdish Islamic League Dr. A.K. Zaki, president Kulliyat Islamiyya, London Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller, American convert, residing in Jordan scholar and author in Shafi'i fiqh Ustaza Beza Mazher Krasniqi, wife of Shaykh Nuh HM Keller, scholar and author in Hanifi fiqh from the US a number of well-known speakers will appear including: Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, da'ee and lecturer Dr. Seyyed Hossein Nasr, George Washington Universtiy Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, da'ee and author Imam Senad Agic, head of Muslim Bosniac Association Dr. Ahmad Sakr, author and da'ee Imam Jamil al-Amin, author and da'ee Dr. Muzammil Siddiqui, da'ee and scholar Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed, General Secretary of ISNA Dr. William Chittick, professor of Islamic Studies, SUNY Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar, renowned author and psychologist Dr. Maher Hathout, scholar and Islamic activist Dr. Abdul Sattar Khan, author and scholar Dr. Robert Crane, political activist Dr. Yahia Abdur-Rahman Khairy, CEO LaRiba Bank Atiq Jilani, Islamic activist Dr. Faysal Burhan, President Institute of Arabic and Islamic Studies Dr. Hassan Hathout, scholar, author Dr. Abdul Ghani Hardy, University of Chicago, Islamic Studies Dr. Gabriel Haddad, translator, history professor Dr. William Sperling, editor Many American politicians and religious figures are expected to attend as well. ************************************************************************ The main event at this conference will be the launch of the "International Day of the Orphan", with the support of many relief organizations, including the Human Rights Council, USA, American Muslim Assistance and others. This event will be promoted as a global day for assisting and supporting the orphans everywhere, especially in Bosnia, Kashmir, Pakistan, Chechnya and other Muslim countries. ************************************************************************ MAIN PROGRAM Speakers will be addressing the main audience, after which they meet in parallel workshop sessions to have closer contact and discussions, question and answer interaction with the audience. There will also be "office hours" for the many shaykhs and dignitaries present, where individuals can meet with them one-on-one. ************************************************************************ In addition to the lectures and workshops, a number of lovely and entertaining programs are scheduled. The lectures themselves will be punctuated with Quranic recitation by some of the finest tajweed reciters, qasidas and madeeh by some of the best madiheen, from Egypt and Malaysia. ************************************************************************ Prizes will be presented in a Quranic recital competition between children, in male and female categories from different age groups, whose top prize will be an 'umrah trip. Similarly, there will be a competition between adults with a similar prize. ************************************************************************ ************************************************************************ OFFICIAL LAUNCH: "the International Day of the Orphan" This will be a special event, with a fundraising dinner for orphans in which 'ulama will officiate the launch and many guest speakers will address this issue of great concern to all Muslims. The Prophet Muhammad, saws, as the exemplar of orphans, will be the presented as the symbolic figure of hope for the orphans as this day is designated one of global concern. ************************************************************************ ************************************************************************ THE ISLAMIC PARADE Another special event will be a parade through the streets of downtown LA, with children singing qasidas and madeeh and carrying banners describing Islam as the religion of tolerance, love and peace. ************************************************************************ Other Exciting features of the conference include: - huge international bazaar - cultural and religious displays - martial demonstrations by a number of groups - study circles with 'ulama after Fajr and 'Isha - excellent international halal cuisine at $7/plate ************************************************************************ THE HOTEL The Westin Bonaventure, is one of the finest in the area and its beautiful glassy towers rise far above downtown LA to give spectacular views to every occupant. Its high-ceilinged foyer, filled with restaurants and shops, is the ideal place to relax. Famous for being the scene for several big movies, including "In the Line of Fire", this hotel has given us a very special discount rate. Please take advantage of the $75.95 rate before all rooms are booked. ==========================*=*=*=*=*=*=*================================= | 1-STOP: REGISTRATION, BOOKING AND TRAVEL | | Please use our AMA Travel Service to book your reservations, | | travel plans and registration for the conference, as 5% OF THE | | INCOME IS DONATED AS SADAQA to American Muslim Assistance | | relief organization. CALL 1-800-400-8112 | ==========================*=*=*=*=*=*=*================================= ************************************************************************ CALL 1-800-400-8112 or send email to asfa@world.std.com for registration, reservations and travel. Conference Registration $20.00/ per person up til June 1, 1996. ************************************************************************ * See the ASFA homepage for details of this conference * * URL: http://world.std.com/~asfa/ * ************************************************************************ From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Mar 7 22:24:24 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13561; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:14:30 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA11940; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:33:42 -0500 Received: from adeskgate.autodesk.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA11920; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:33:38 -0500 From: lisa.rapp@autodesk.com Received: from autodesk.autodesk.com by adeskgate.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) with ESMTP id OAA03427; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:36:36 -0800 Received: from unix2cc.autodesk.com by autodesk.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) with ESMTP id OAA12492; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:31:44 -0800 Received: from smtpcc.autodesk.com by unix2cc.autodesk.com (8.6.5/4.4BSD) with SMTP id OAA09249; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:32:58 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by smtpcc.autodesk.com id AA826238052; Thu, 07 Mar 96 14:24:24 PST Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 14:24:24 PST Message-Id: <9602078262.AA826238052@smtpcc.autodesk.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Calligraphy/Art Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of a place to find prints and books on Islamic and/or Sufi calligraphy and art. I live north of the San Francisco Bay area. Most "new age" type bookstores around here don't have a large selection of Islamic art/art books. Is there any kind of Islamic bookstore in Northern California? I seem to remember hearing about a store in the San Jose area; does it exist? Or are there any mail order vendors that would sell Islamic art/prints/art books? Thanks for your help. May Allah's Peace be with you. lisa. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Mar 7 23:14:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14534; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:18:35 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA17879; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:18:13 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA17868; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:18:10 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13587; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:14:36 -0500 Received: from Bowen.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tuot6-000FfwC; Thu, 7 Mar 96 15:14 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 15:14 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: My Dear Friends, I am afraid I might be getting into some delicate ground here as well as in the poems Ali and Hafiz, will you please keep an eye on it for me, and if I am offending (bad adab or poor taste) let me know, or if I am theologically of track please advise! al Kabir How far can the mind expand before it shatters; start with the heart which can expand much further start with that which will allow itself to break; no not break! But burst! an ocean of love, just a liquid body spilled upon the floor, rolling toward no where, seen from this height as one small drop just another drop within which thinking creatures swim and think so as to begin to percieve something of their source; You know: to pass the passing time with a conception, an idol or self image, a ritual, a belief ; and ultimately the wrong tunnel a mystic holy doctrine spoken by heretics and heard by most as something very rude and even dark and worth a voyage to the gallows the annihilation of an other's life: a stark and sterile similitude. If everything is just projection where would we begin to be we might start with a reality and an axiom that states: everything is like everything and an other , there is no diffrence except sometimes which by the by appears to be the thinking of a mind whose back porch light has gone a little dim gone bankrupt through experience and covered up its innocense our natural state covered over by another image of our selves sculptures over many years, a craven image devoid of life and preoccupied by one singular point of view; an obscuring dust filled lens complete with labels and names for everything to help it cling to a reality of shadows which is all it knows and fears without the hallucination it will fly off into an oblivion. Similatude defined speaks of harmony, a fit, agreement with, compatiability, this seems like a meager sort of sin and yet its caused a lot of saints a certain sum of grief Nothing so horrid really just a way to miss a mark, sacrafice a virgin perhaps the purity of the heart, at least that is what some of the elders say: and their source is the Holy Qu ran which states more than just God is one but quite clearly ellucidates that Allah exists without a partner there is a diffrence between the Creator and the creation the first is that the Creator was not created the second is that this creation, you know, the one that calls itself a name, homosapien, was made from something outside of the Creator which held the significance of mud in one instance and by the grace of God was fed by the stars in another. It is easy for some to speak of partnership and of co-creation how a spirit blew within a nostril and psyche merged with breath and the heart began to beat, how God poured itself into its own conception out of boredom because God had a need for a witness who could choose but the God of my Prophet does not have a need nor ever has and if a hidden trreasure is not waiting to be found; my God , infinitly patient, waits on no one , Allah is not the servant of this species and this species does not have dominion over nature, and nature is only another abstraction to let me know that I know nothing of the nature of my God. Than what did el Hallaj mean when he said I am the Real and what did ibn Arabi mean when speaking of the treasure or Rumi when feeling the complaint of a broken reed or Yunnis when equating a drop to the sea read my friends, Rabbia and watch her love extend no metaphor just simple raw truth, blinders like lenses wiped clear. and complete surrender, and of course her dear friend , Hafiz left always when around her ruthless honesty left blushing I have no use for polytheism, monotheism, pantheism, monoism each school have teachers who have been known to confound to confuse there are many who steal hidden treasures in for the sake of perversity there are many who steal hidden treasures with a purpose to erode there are many who could burn this brain in cinders in an instant So please Allah in all Your Greatness open up this speck of dust I call my heart with love enough to raise the sacred fear, the outcome of this love, and let me not be tempted to merely pleease the woman that I am courting, the client or my peers or a Shayke which all my friends have fallen into mischief with and have mistaken for being great let me remember Your prophet's words: to follow no man and surrender only to You Who is the only Friend yet separate by mystery clear, magnificent, and through the heart of a child who know You are not really so very difficult to understand or even comprehend. ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 02:03:48 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12076; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:07:19 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA10083; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:07:18 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10351; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:03:49 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA09688; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:03:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:03:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199603080203.VAA09688@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Admin request Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Thu Mar 7 21:03:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: from reston-mx1.telemail.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA09677; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:03:45 -0500 From: HENRY.MARTYN@HMI.sprintrpg.sprint.com X400-Received: by /PRMD=SPRINTRPG/ADMD=VSNL/C=IN/; Relayed; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:29:54 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SPRINTRPG/ADMD=VSNL/C=IN/; Relayed; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:29:54 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SPRINTRPG/ADMD=VSNL/C=IN/; Relayed; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:29:54 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SPRINTRPG/ADMD=VSNL/C=IN/; Relayed; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:29:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:29:54 -0500 X400-Originator: HENRY.MARTYN@HMI.sprintrpg.sprint.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=SPRINTRPG/ADMD=VSNL/C=IN/;QJJG-1943-3890/36] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: QSU1807 36 Message-ID: To: tariqas@europe.std.com Subject: Request to joing the net Hyderabad, India 7 March 1996 Greetings! 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From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 17:36:29 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12591; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:00:34 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA11785; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:22:18 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA11776; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:22:15 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17788; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:19:45 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA17016 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:17:22 +0800 Message-Id: <199603080217.KAA17016@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 8-Mar-1996 10:24:56 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Jabriel poetry X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 4E4F4031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Jabriel poetry Date: 08 Mar 96 17:36:29 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear heart, Jabriel, I am not qualified to give an opinion on the theological propriety of your writings, but I would like to offer you my response all the same, as my own limited viewpoint only. I have appreciated very much your latest efforts and I am very much in admiration of your courage in taking up such a project as you have Also, thank you for giving us an opportunity to participate in it. About the latest poem al Kabir, it does raise some very interesting points. Personally the only 'objection' I would raise is to the statement that this creation was made from something 'outside' the Creator: there is nothing absolutely nothing outside the creator, there is no because thete is no border or limit to Allah. Unless the creator is only one aspect of Allah to which we attribute a finite nature...I would think that every quality , name, aspect, attribute of Allah offers a specific viewpoint but it partakes of the infinite nature of the essence, as in holistic paradigm, every 'fragment' has the totality of the whole. Perhaps you could rephrase, if you agree on this point,: was made from His exterior (zahir?), which does not imply a confine, a limit, a boundary, a break in terms of ontology, Being,but only a discrete level . Perhaps like the curvature of spacetime, Allah's batin is His zahir and viceversa ,' it is that,' and there is no other, it is only a matter of viewpoint and perception Perhaps the creation is contained in the world of divine possibilities, which is by nature infinite, yet at any one point in space time it is manifested as finite... The other very interesting point you raise in this poem is about the whole business of similitude, metaphor, correspondences...Yes, there is no partner so no comparability, but we still need a bridge to this immensity, and the language od symbols is the only one, along with the language of signs (in the koranic meaning) Nature and the arts are therefore our looking glasses or even our crutches...if we want to see and walk, being half blinded and lame as we are, we do need these aids. The whole nature of poetry depends on metaphor, and the dilemmatic experience of Rumi shows both the limits and the possibilities of language. Be myself an apprentice in the trade of poets, let me say a few words in defense of our gild. Because language exists to communicate, (be it through the media of words, art, music, gestures...), it is, I concede, both limited and limiting, yet, it is still the most easily accessible way we have in order to share, to try to through bridges at each other, Unless of course, we learn the language of the birds, the language of the heart, silence and deep subtle feelings, and learn to use this to communicate with other souls, as shaikhs and saints are meant to do... The language of poetry and art, though less powerful and pure than this type of language (the language of the birds), can yeild great fruits, and inspiration, since it has been shown possible to permeatewords/images/sounds from within with the unmistakable flavour and taste of experience. Words in the niche of true poetry can be transformed in the transparent glasscase from which the Light can illuminate hearts. Dear Jabriel, you mention also the poem Hafiz, I have not received this yet, maybe net time is different across the globe, but just in case, would you mind sending it again to my Email address? (below) Also, I would like to send more comments on your poetry, but the address you gave me seems not to be working... is it correct? have you received my earlier posting? If you cannot get a spell check I have one, it would be not too much trouble to use it for you if you like to accept the offer...just let me know and check if the included email address is correct. Best wishes, and salaams Rabia ( a lesser copy of ) My E/mail: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au yours? Dyanamics@islandet.com From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 19:17:03 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27652; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:29:44 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA23541; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:02:24 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA23536; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:02:21 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12594; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:00:05 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA12696 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:57:47 +0800 Message-Id: <199603080357.LAA12696@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 8-Mar-1996 12:05:30 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: gift corrected X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 3D664031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: gift corrected Date: 08 Mar 96 19:17:03 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: To all, my apologies for having sent my gift without checking the format. There are some misprints due to translation from a different system. The text should read as : WATERWORDS as FOOTPRINTS " If the ocean were ink to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhinguished than would the words of my Lord " Koran, Sura XVIII 109 (The cave) 1. BAB SHARIA Words are footprints of God, but His feet are Love and Knowledge, sounds are footprints of God, His voice the sound of Silence, images are footprints of God, His face is formless Beauty... why stop at the footprints, they only lead to the shore : Plunge into the Sea instead, and your heart will be embraced by the symphony of Self-disclosing Meaning 2. BAB TARIQA " Sit with your comrades, do not go to sleep; do not go to the bottom of the sea like a fish. Be surging all night like the sea; no, do not go scattered like a torrent. Is not the water of life in darkness?" Jalaluddin Rumi LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA Words are watermarks of Allah His feet Love and Knowledge,light to walk over quagmires of unreality, ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAH ILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLA Sounds are marks of Allah, His body a column of vibrations, His voice the horn of Silence ILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLAILLA why stop at the watermarks, they only lead to the shore of Love: LLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAHLLAH HUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHU plunge into the See Mystery instead, let your heart be washed out by the flood of All-disclosing Sound HAYHAYHATHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAYHAHAYHAYHAYHAYY " Verily we established his power on earth, and we gave him the ways and the means to all ends..." Sura 109, the Cave v 84 3. BAB HAQQ Their truth is printed on books but our haqq is stamped on living souls by the ring of power; wherever you see His seal mark, search for the finger of the Beloved: He can 't be too far... They write Your words in books, we read Your words in us; wherever you find His signs, look for the Beloved: He is close by They print coral books of You with dark lettering of lead but YOur Book is blown over golden waves of light on the scroll of Sea; and when we drink at His water jar we sip the Beloved: for He is here within us They read Your holy books searching for inspiration We reed our KORAN with the breath of expiration whenever we remember His sound We become His Dhikr " Until he reached a tract bewteen two mountains... I will erect a strong barrier between you and then..." Sura 109 v.93-95 if you should hear Zulqarnain ' s horns in the distance, do listen for Him, for wHo is within the sound behind the sound the space beyond the space of spacelesness if not Him? @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ in the gap between @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ the Barriers of Gog and Magog, between the tides of outer and inner, the hordes of s and s, the mountains of time and space, surging giant ridges of < When-then> and < Where-there >, children of time gaze the molten gateway suspended at the hinges of breath holding within Haqq THE REALITY OF HERENOW! 4. BAB MARIFA " On that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another... and We shall collect them all together" Sura 109 v 99 Lovers drown in seas of incandescent sands, shipwrecked by their wild desire, they throw at the sea all they have, their bodies, their minds, their < I > s, their eyes... still the sinking ship is found too heavy, then they give up the vessel itself, all Jonases, they throw themselves overboard to the depths of a devouring whale; dispairing of ever reaching shore, their cargo of self plunges them to an Abyss of death, but even there they find His footprints carved in every rib of the Fish, so they surrender with their last breath even their own desperation, clinging no more to the float of their own shame and remorse, washed out by the power of sea, free from all traces of past, they sink, float free and emerge , new as dry cuttlefish bones surge with the surf at the beachline, in that lightness their bones raising to the Light gently are laid in the bay of His harbour under a shade of refreshing Green... until the call of Israel 's Conch blown with the winds of the universe resonates in your own heart the voice of Maliki Yawmaddeen: Wake up from such annihilation! resting in Oasis for a moon, what is mirage for others, claim as your own Miraj in this single night of power! and one morning at dawn, at the break of gentle light, the draughts of Ramadhan being over, you find yourself wishing to drink to the fill the holy waters of Rahman and you , a cup for your beloved! Month of Ramadan 1996 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 02:29:26 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06349; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:51:30 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA26335; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:27:06 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA26322; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:27:03 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA17940 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:29:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:29:26 -0500 Message-Id: <960307212926_344504735@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: No Subject Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: hello Jabriel, it is not from lack of appreciation that I have not written to you recently. This is another powerful one. I cannot judge whether any will feel that what you say is offensive. It is not offensive as far as I can feel or tell. Munsur offended some, it would seem, while others hold him to be a great teacher, and very intimately into Allah-consciousness (if I may use such a term). Where does the idea that Allah created creation to have a witness? I have heard this teaching but do not know its source. All help appreciated. in peace, Jinavamsa In a message dated 96-03-07 18:19:20 EST, you write: >From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) >Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com >Reply-to: tariqas@europe.std.com >To: tariqas@world.std.com > >My Dear Friends, I am afraid I might be getting into some delicate ground >here as well as in the poems Ali and Hafiz, will you please keep an eye on >it for me, and if I am offending (bad adab or poor taste) let me know, or if >I am theologically of track please advise! > >al Kabir > >How far can the mind expand before it shatters; >start with the heart which can expand much further >start with that which will allow itself to break; no not break! But burst! >an ocean of love, just a liquid body spilled upon the floor, >rolling toward no where, seen from this height >as one small drop just another drop within which thinking creatures swim >and think so as to begin to percieve something of their source; > >You know: to pass the passing time with a conception, >an idol or self image, a ritual, a belief ; and >ultimately the wrong tunnel a mystic holy doctrine >spoken by heretics and heard by most as something very rude >and even dark and worth a voyage to the gallows >the annihilation of an other's life: a stark and sterile similitude. > >If everything is just projection where would we begin to be >we might start with a reality and an axiom that states: >everything is like everything and an other , >there is no diffrence except sometimes >which by the by appears to be the thinking of a mind >whose back porch light has gone a little dim >gone bankrupt through experience and covered up its innocense >our natural state covered over by another image of our selves >sculptures over many years, a craven image devoid of life >and preoccupied by one singular point of view; an obscuring >dust filled lens complete with labels and names for everything >to help it cling to a reality of shadows which is all it knows >and fears without the hallucination it will fly off into an oblivion. > >Similatude defined speaks of harmony, a fit, agreement with, >compatiability, this seems like a meager sort of sin >and yet its caused a lot of saints a certain sum of grief >Nothing so horrid really just a way to miss a mark, sacrafice a virgin >perhaps the purity of the heart, at least that is what some of the elders >say: >and their source is the Holy Qu ran >which states more than just God is one >but quite clearly ellucidates that Allah exists without a partner > >there is a diffrence between the Creator and the creation >the first is that the Creator was not created >the second is that this creation, you know, the one that calls itself >a name, homosapien, was made from something outside of the Creator >which held the significance of mud in one instance >and by the grace of God was fed by the stars in another. > >It is easy for some to speak of partnership and of co-creation >how a spirit blew within a nostril >and psyche merged with breath >and the heart began to beat, >how God poured itself into its own conception >out of boredom because God >had a need for a witness who could choose > >but the God of my Prophet does not have a need nor ever has >and if a hidden trreasure is not waiting to be found; >my God , infinitly patient, waits on no one , >Allah is not the servant of this species >and this species does not have dominion over nature, >and nature is only another abstraction >to let me know that I know nothing of the nature of my God. > >Than what did el Hallaj mean when he said I am the Real >and what did ibn Arabi mean when speaking of the treasure >or Rumi when feeling the complaint of a broken reed >or Yunnis when equating a drop to the sea >read my friends, Rabbia and watch her love extend no metaphor >just simple raw truth, blinders like lenses wiped clear. >and complete surrender, and of course >her dear friend , Hafiz left always when >around her ruthless honesty left blushing >I have no use for polytheism, monotheism, pantheism, monoism > >each school have teachers who have been known to confound to confuse >there are many who steal hidden treasures in for the sake of perversity >there are many who steal hidden treasures with a purpose to erode >there are many who could burn this brain in cinders in an instant > >So please Allah in all Your Greatness open up this speck of dust I call my >heart >with love enough to raise the sacred fear, the outcome of this love, >and let me not be tempted to merely pleease the woman that I am courting, >the client or my peers or a Shayke which all my friends >have fallen into mischief with and have mistaken for being great >let me remember Your prophet's words: >to follow no man and surrender only to You >Who is the only Friend yet separate by mystery clear, magnificent, >and through the heart of a child who know You are >not really so very difficult to understand or even comprehend. > >----------------------------------------- > Jabriel Hanafi > Dynamics Unlimited > Suite 806 327 Maitland > Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 >Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 20:18:03 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22832; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:29:12 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA01278; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:04:14 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA01263; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:04:09 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09945; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:01:16 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA16148 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:58:50 +0800 Message-Id: <199603080458.MAA16148@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 8-Mar-1996 13:06:29 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: silence on net X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 3B744031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: silence on net Date: 08 Mar 96 20:18:03 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear tariqas friends, it seems that lately there has been quite an absence of talk on the tariqas...maybe too much poetry has dried up the discursive in all of us ? Silence is certainly golden, but i am missing the interactivity of discourse and even the effort to read every morning or so the pile of messages... Can i start a new (possibly already used and abused) line of conversation? I would like to know more a bout the specific tariqas, to start with, perhaps somebody could tell me what is the origin and particular flavour of the rifai ? In case this excites no interest, i would also like to find out more about the Shadili and Chisti. I am also interested in learning of new tariqas(that is founded in this century, especially in the West). Finally, if it is not intruding too much, I would like to find out who in this newslist belongs to which tariqa. A sort of spiritual census without any intention to raise a tax...though maybe knowing the specificity of each may help us all to tap on each other's richness better. Looking forward to the clatter again... Rabia ( Halvety-Jerrahi, Instanbul) From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 06:10:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13542; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:34:22 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA08928; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:12:47 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA08913; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:12:43 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08504; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:11:13 -0500 Received: from i37.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tuvOC-000FapC; Thu, 7 Mar 96 22:10 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 22:10 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Hafiz Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: For some reason I am not getting cc back from the mail I am sending to Tariqas (this occurred with the posting Kabir, did it get through? Jabriel Hafiz Once in a crystal cave a Sorcerer somewhere from the middle east, or was it Central Asia, perhaps, Persia, appeared. He was simply an occurance which occured. He said his mission was to teach barbarians upon an isle a form of chivalry whereby a fledgling empire might be given in the moment a taste of mead very rare It was a honey wine he offered which seened to make the tempelar and the drunklard walking backwards come from another angle and strike a prescense in the the present which would teach them secrets which the future held Now this is a pretty tale but the opposite of the quality which turned the Islamic world upside down what is religeon but the blood and flesh of a believer what is a bell in a church to dhikr said allowed cracking at the crack of a deaf man's ear until that man can hear, what is wine to a saint but the path which is narrow and straight It is said with certain types of honey there is a limited amount and like plutonium needs gaurding from the hands of fools. Now there are bees and there are bees there are hornets and even wasps beware from whom you find this honey beware with whom you drink this mead Hafiz preserves all things in detail Hafiz encapsulates a moment and expands it to infinity Hafiz is drunk with You Allah could drop that capsul and let it spill this moment in the hand the next spreading across a cosmic floor racing after eternity Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 06:26:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15989; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:45:56 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA10039; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:29:25 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA10034; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:29:22 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12077; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:27:02 -0500 Received: from i37.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tuvde-000FayC; Thu, 7 Mar 96 22:26 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 22:26 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Kabir Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: My Dear Friends, I am afraid I might be getting into some delicate ground here as well as in the poems Ali and Hafiz, will you please keep an eye on it for me, and if I am offending let me know, or if I am theologically of track please advise! al Kabir How far can the mind expand before it shatters; start with the heart which can expand much further start with that which will allow itself to break; no not break! But burst! an ocean of love, just a liquid body spilled upon the floor, rolling toward no where, seen from this height as one small drop just another drop within which thinking creatures swim and think so as to begin to percieve something of their source; You know: to pass the passing time with a conception, an idol or self image, a ritual, a belief ; and ultimately the wrong tunnel a mystic holy doctrine spoken by heretics and heard by most as something very rude and even dark and worth a voyage to the gallows the annihilation of an other's life: a stark and sterile similitude. If everything is just projection where would we begin to be we might start with a reality and an axiom that states: everything is like everything and an other , there is no diffrence except sometimes which by the by appears to be the thinking of a mind whose back porch light has gone a little dim gone bankrupt through experience and covered up its innocense our natural state covered over by another image of our selves sculptures over many years, a craven image devoid of life and preoccupied by one singular point of view; an obscuring dust filled lens complete with labels and names for everything to help it cling to a reality of shadows which is all it knows and fears without the hallucination it will fly off into an oblivion. Similatude defined speaks of harmony, a fit, agreement with, compatiability, this seems like a meager sort of sin and yet its caused a lot of saints a certain sum of grief Nothing so horrid really just a way to miss a mark, sacrafice a virgin perhaps the purity of the heart, at least that is what some of the elders say: and their source is the Holy Qu ran which states more than just God is one but quite clearly ellucidates that Allah exists without a partner there is a diffrence between the Creator and the creation the first is that the Creator was not created the second is that this creation, you know, the one that calls itself a name, homosapien, was made from something outside of the Creator which held the significance of mud in one instance and by the grace of God was fed by the stars in another. It is easy for some to speak of partnership and of co-creation how a spirit blew within a nostril and psyche merged with breath and the heart began to beat, how God poured itself into its own conception out of boredom because God had a need for a witness who could choose but the God of my Prophet does not have a need nor ever has and if a hidden trreasure is not waiting to be found; my God , infinitly patient, waits on no one , Allah is not the servant of this species and this species does not have dominion over nature, and nature is only another abstraction to let me know that I know nothing of the nature of my God. Than what did el Hallaj mean when he said I am the Real and what did ibn Arabi mean when speaking of the treasure or Rumi when feeling the complaint of a broken reed or Yunnis when equating a drop to the sea read my friends, Rabbia and watch her love extend no metaphor just simple raw truth, blinders like lenses wiped clear. and complete surrender, and of course her dear friend , Hafiz left always when around her ruthless honesty left blushing I have no use for polytheism, monotheism, pantheism, monoism each school have teachers who have been known to confound to confuse there are many who steal hidden treasures in for the sake of perversity there are many who steal hidden treasures with a purpose to erode there are many who could burn this brain in cinders in an instant So please Allah in all Your Greatness open up this speck of dust I call my heart with love enough to raise the sacred fear, the outcome of this love, and let me not be tempted to merely pleease the woman that I am courting, the client or my peers or a Shayke which all my friends have fallen into mischief with and have mistaken for being great let me remember Your prophet's words: to follow no man and surrender only to You Who is the only Friend, separate by mystery, clear, magnificent, and through the heart of an infant not really so very difficult to understand or even comprehend. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 23:48:58 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08651; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 04:02:35 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA16709; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:35:33 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA16698; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:35:30 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04485; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:32:09 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA09958 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:29:50 +0800 Message-Id: <199603080829.QAA09958@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 8-Mar-1996 16:37:30 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: arrow to archer X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 2FA44031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: AIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: arrow to archer Date: 08 Mar 96 23:48:58 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: SELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: hidden triangle of divine 3 movement within visible 6 enneogram 9 3333333333333333333333333333333333333333 qalb's eye sees only the Light behind light our marrow is the wick 666its oil neither from the east nor from the west666 shines through when the wind of suuuf blows from the lips of Beloved Hu 999999999999999999999999999999999999999 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Mar 7 17:29:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26671; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:08:50 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA09653; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:34:17 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA09636; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:34:13 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00116; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:30:04 -0500 Received: from Numas.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tujVL-000FnNC; Thu, 7 Mar 96 09:29 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 09:29 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: al Kabir Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: al Kabir How far can the mind expand before it shatters; start with the heart which can expand much further start with that which will allow itself to break; an ocean of love, just a liquid body spilled upon the floor, another drop with creatures perceiving something of their source; passing the passing time with a conception, an idol or self image, a ritual, and a belief ; ultimately the wrong tunnel a mystic holy doctrine spoken and heard by most as something very rude and even dark and worth the annihilation of another's life: a similitude. If everything is just projection where would we begin to be we might start with a reality and an axiom stating everything is like everything else , there is no diffrence except at times which is obviously the thinking of a mind gone mad, gone bankrupt through experience and covered up its innocense our natural state covered over by another image of our selves sculptures over many years, a craven image devoid of life and preoccupied by one singular point of view; an obscuring dust filled lens complete with labels and names for everything to help it cling to a reality of shadows which is all it knows and fears without the hallucination it will fly off into an oblivion. Similatude defined speaks of harmony, a fit, agreement with, compatiability, this seems like a meager sort of sin and yet its caused a lot of saints a certain sum of grief Nothing so horrid really just a way to miss a mark, sacrafice a virgin perhaps the purity of the heart, at least that is what some of the elders say: and their source is the Holy Qu ran which states more than just God is one but quite clearly ellucidates that Allah exists without a partner there is a diffrence between the Creator and the creation the first is that the Creator was not created the second is that this creation, you know, the one that calls itself a name, homosapien, was made from something outside of the Creator which held the significance of mud in one instance and by the grace of God was fed by the stars in another. It is easy for some to speak of partnership and of co-creation how a spirit blew within a nostril and psyche merged with breath and the heart began to beat, how God poured itself into its own conception out of boredom because God had a need for a witness who could choose but the God of my Prophet does not have a need nor ever has and if a hidden trreasure is not waiting to be found; my God , infinitly patient, waits on no one , Allah is not the servant of this species and this species does not have dominion over nature, and nature is only another abstraction to let me know that I know nothing of the nature of my God. Than what did el Hallaj mean when he said I am the Real and what did ibn Arabi mean when speaking of the treasure or Rumi when feeling the complaint of a broken reed or Yunnis when equating a drop to the sea read my friends, Rabbia and watch her love extend no metaphor just simple raw truth, blinders like lenses wiped clear. and complete surrender, and of course her dear friend , Hafiz left always when around her ruthless honesty left blushing I have no use for polytheism, monotheism, pantheism, monoism each school have teachers who have been known to confound to confuse there are many who steal hidden treasures in for the sake of perversity there are many who steal hidden treasures with a purpose to erode there are many who could burn this brain in cinders in an instant So please Allah in all Your Greatness open up this speck of dust I call my heart with love enough to raise the sacred fear, the outcome of this love, and let me not be tempted to merely pleease the woman that I am courting, the client or my peers or a Shayke which all my friends have fallen into mischief with and have mistaken for being great let me remember Your prophet's words: to follow no man and surrender only to You Who is the only Friend yet separate by mystery clear, magnificent, and through the heart of a child who know You are not really so very difficult to understand or even comprehend. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 11:28:16 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03748; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:58:09 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id GAA22916; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:27:43 -0500 Received: from bbs.cruzio.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id GAA22909; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:27:40 -0500 Received: from pine196.cruzio.com by bbs.cruzio.com id aa23612; 8 Mar 96 3:26 PST X-Sender: dances@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:28:16 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: james hallam Subject: Tariqas Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: james hallam Nimatullahi Sufi Order (7 years and still struggling to be a good human being) From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 15:51:47 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11209; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:15:01 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA22454; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:50:20 -0500 Received: from fastmail.worldweb.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA22438; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:50:13 -0500 Received: from dns.worldweb.net (dns.worldweb.net [204.117.218.2]) by fastmail.worldweb.net (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id KAA04804 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from JIM ([204.117.218.166]) by dns.worldweb.net with SMTP; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:51:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960308155147.0032c5cc@worldweb.net> X-Sender: jmccaig@worldweb.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 10:51:47 -0500 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com, tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au From: James McCaig Subject: Re: arrow to archer Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:48 PM 3/8/96 GMT, aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au wrote: Dear Rabia, Beautiful again. Thought you and our friends might like to see Hazrat Inayat Khan's thoughts on the TRINITY. "The word intelligence as it is known by us, and spoken in everyday language, does not give a full idea; especially the word intelligence as used by modern science will only convey to us something which is the outcome of matter or energy. But according to the mystic, intelligence is the primal element, or the cause as well as the effect. While science acknowledges it as the effect, the mystic sees in it the cause. One may ask, 'How can intelligence create this dense earth which is matter? There must be energy behind it.' But this question comes because we separate intelligence from energy or matter. In point of fact it is spirit which is matter, and matter which is spirit; the denseness of spirit is matter, and the fineness of matter is spirit. Intelligence becomes intelligible by turning into denseness; that denseness being manifest to its own view, creates two objects: Zat, the self, and Sifat, what is known by the self. And then comes of necessity a third object, the medium by which the self knows what it knows: Nazar, the sight or the mind. The Sufi poets have pictured these three in their verse as Bagh, Bahar, and Bulbul, the garden, the spring, and the nightingale. And it is these three aspects of life which are at the root of the idea of Trinity. The moment these three are realized as one, life's purpose is fulfilled." > > hidden triangle of divine > 3 movement within visible 6 > enneogram > > 9 > >3333333333333333333333333333333333333333 >qalb's eye sees only the Light behind light > our marrow is the wick > >666its oil neither from the east nor from the west666 > >shines through when the wind of suuuf blows > from the lips of Beloved Hu >999999999999999999999999999999999999999 > > Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 16:27:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11558; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:01:38 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA28662; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:29:48 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA28648; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:29:45 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19280; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:27:54 -0500 Received: from Brethour.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tv50x-000FdwC; Fri, 8 Mar 96 08:27 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 08:27 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: al Muqit Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Al Muqit Every breath has been ordained the issue has been granted there is no need to even ask for the need has been presumed Allah has thought of everything as naive to some as this may seem its choice which lets us let it in or resist, its simply that we each are free! Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 16:51:54 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15720; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:54:01 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA02397; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:51:39 -0500 Received: from ioa.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA02379; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:51:34 -0500 From: marjan@gate.ioa.com Received: from testy.vnet.net (testy.vnet.net [166.82.183.75]) by ioa.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA11688 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:51:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:51:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199603081651.LAA11688@ioa.com> X-Sender: marjan@gate.ioa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Calligraphy/Art Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > > I was wondering if anyone knows of a place to find prints and books on > Islamic and/or Sufi calligraphy and art. I live north of the San > Francisco Bay area. Most "new age" type bookstores around here don't > have a large selection of Islamic art/art books. Is there any kind of > Islamic bookstore in Northern California? I seem to remember hearing > about a store in the San Jose area; does it exist? Or are there any > mail order vendors that would sell Islamic art/prints/art books? > > Thanks for your help. May Allah's Peace be with you. > > lisa. Hi lisa, and everyone! I used to live in Marin county, and as I'm studying Islamic calligraphy, I've looked in most of the bookstores in that area. Hopefully I can give you some leads. I have found that most of the "art books" on islamic art and calligraphy are out of print. Apparently they don't often get reprinted after the first printing, so they can become fairly quickly unavailable through new bookstores. There are new ones published periodically, but these are often found in the same stores as you will find the out of print books. I was looking for a number of books on Islamic calligraphy just before I left Marin last summer and had requests in through book searches all over the country....but a trip to Moe's books, on Telegraph, in Berkeley rounded up 4 of them, plus a book that was self published and probably would never have found anywhere else. Of course, they were all fairly expensive. I had called Moe's and they said they didn't have what I was looking for, obviously was talking to the wrong person..a personal trip is worth it in my opinion. Books of this nature are kept in the antiquarian section..they may even keep different hours than the main store, so call for that at least. And I did wipe 'em out of books last August. Let me know if you find anything, though, as I'm curious what their acquisition time is like. There are many other bookstores along the lines of Moe's to periodically check. As far as Islamic/Sufi bookstores...there are two stores in the Santa Clara/San Jose area that carry persian books, including some books of poetry that have the farsi, the english, and sometimes calligraphic illustration. I used to have their addresses and numbers, but can't find them right now. Their names are Tooka Books, and Iransara. They are not far from each other so you can always try both, when in the area. Like I said before, there are searches, if you know a title of a book. I often check libraries when I'm travelling as I'll find books in collections that I've never seen before, and write down the names of ones I'd like to find. One other place, where I have found prints, is at the "shops" at Islamic conferences...so these shops must have them all the time, if you can find them in your community. All I know of in the N. California area are the middle eastern or persian grocery stores. A good one to try is in Berkeley, on San Pablo, half a block south of University (on the west side). Maybe it's simply called middle east/arab food store or something. I thought others might be interested, so I chose to put this in the group...I'd like to hear of other sources, particularly mail order if they exist...Thanks. as-salaamu 'alaykum, Na'imah From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 17:54:50 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15183; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:38:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA11284; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:54:22 -0500 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA11268; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:54:17 -0500 Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27399; Fri, 8 Mar 96 09:54:15 PST Received: from antares by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 8 Mar 96 9:54:15 PST Received: from kirin.Tymnet.COM by antares.Tymnet.COM (8.6.5/UCB) id JAA13204; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:54:09 -0800 Received: by kirin.Tymnet.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01266; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:54:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:54:50 -0800 From: mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM (Mike Moore) Message-Id: <199603081754.JAA01266@kirin.Tymnet.COM> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Calligraphy/Art X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hi lisa, and everyone! > > I used to live in Marin county, and as I'm studying Islamic calligraphy, > I've looked in most of the bookstores in that area. Hopefully I can give you There is also a web page that specializes in Islamic calligraphy. It is very beautiful and detailed. Well worth looking for, which you will have to do because I cannot remember the URL. Cheers, -Michael- From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 20:11:56 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24505; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:08:56 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA13616; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:24:39 -0500 Received: from internet.roadrunner.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA13611; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:24:36 -0500 Received: from ([206.206.168.133]) by internet.roadrunner.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA05070 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:11:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:11:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199603082011.NAA05070@internet.roadrunner.com> X-Sender: hakim@roadrunner.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: hakim@roadrunner.com (Hakim Archuletta) Subject: Re: Calligraphy/Art X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > In addition to the excellent advice from the calligraphy student in Marin County, there is: Sufi Review, published by Pir Publications, Inc. Colonial Green, 256 Post Road East, Westport, CT., 06880--They have a large mail order catalogue with excellent articles as well. And: Kazi Publications, Inc., 3023 W. Belmont Ave, Chicago, IL, 60618--Mostly Islamic but managed by Laleh Baktiar and becoming more comprehensive. Also; The Bodi Tree in Los Angeles will send you a book list computor printout of specific requests, ie: Sufi, Islamic, Homeopathic, of what they have in stock: Bodi Tree Bookstore By Mail, 8585 Melrose Ave, West Hollywood, CA,90069-5199--1-800-825-9798 (in L.A. 310-659-1733) They usually have an excellent selection and often things that are hard to find, they also respond promptly Peace, Hakim > > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone knows of a place to find prints and books on > Islamic and/or Sufi calligraphy and art. I live north of the San > Francisco Bay area. Most "new age" type bookstores around here don't > have a large selection of Islamic art/art books. Is there any kind of > Islamic bookstore in Northern California? I seem to remember hearing > about a store in the San Jose area; does it exist? Or are there any > mail order vendors that would sell Islamic art/prints/art books? > > Thanks for your help. May Allah's Peace be with you. > > lisa. > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Mar 9 02:53:12 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16747; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:30:00 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA09977; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:03:20 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA09959; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:03:17 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA27940 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:53:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:53:12 -0500 Message-Id: <960308215310_164046211@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Calligraphy URLs Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: It was mentioned that there are some URLs with Islamic calligraphy. I've checked and can find a few, and these lead to others. As a starter: http://www.colostate.edu/Orgs/MSA/docs/islart.html gopher://wings.buffalo.edu/hh/student-life/sa/muslim/umma/lang.html#artarch http://venture.cos.ohio-state.edu:1111/khalid/ http://www.folkarts.com/calligraphy.html the hyphens[ - ] above may be underscores [ _ ]. in peace, Jinavamsa In a message dated 96-03-08 15:25:41 EST, you write: >Subj: Re: Calligraphy/Art From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Mar 8 17:49:09 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25438; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 07:50:04 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA10331; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:48:40 -0500 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA10316; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:48:35 -0500 Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27181; Fri, 8 Mar 96 09:48:33 PST Received: from antares by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 8 Mar 96 9:48:31 PST Received: from kirin.Tymnet.COM by antares.Tymnet.COM (8.6.5/UCB) id JAA13114; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:48:28 -0800 Received: by kirin.Tymnet.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01264; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:49:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:49:09 -0800 From: mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM (Mike Moore) Message-Id: <199603081749.JAA01264@kirin.Tymnet.COM> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: silence on net X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > Dear tariqas friends, it seems that lately there has been quite an absence of talk on the > tariqas...maybe too much poetry has dried up the discursive in all of us ? > Silence is certainly golden, but i am missing the interactivity of discourse and even > the effort to read every morning or so the pile of messages... I agree. I just click past the poetry. For me it is like Chineese food, you eat it and then one hour later, you are hungry again. But it does seem to have value for others so I am happy to see them taking benifit. The discursive on the otherhand takes lots of commitment and energy and willingness to confront. My own experience is that little comes of it. People entrench themself and are not willing to be moved in any direction from their self imposed position. Somes this is true but occasionally there is a person willing, or even wanting to be moved but this is the exception. Lately I am so busy with the normal things of life. For example, getting my car smogged, work, installing my new PC at home, (yes, a MAC user finally buys a PC -- chalk up another one for the dark side of the force - and the Heavens roll with the thunderous demonic laughter of Bill Gates). But these are not mundane things. This is my poetry. All of these things that some so call spiritually minded eschew are to me the very tools of spiritual endevor; the tools with which we tend our soulful garden. This is the stuff Allah (swt) gave to us. I think that we need to be fully involved with our environment when we choose to be engaged and when we disengage then we go to the well and dive in deep. We come up drenched in spirit. A little bird told me this. So, that being said, I will get back to doing what my employer pays me to do - there's databases that need administratin'. -Michael- From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Mar 9 15:41:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14118; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:07:36 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA02028; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:44:02 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA02021; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:44:00 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15930; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:41:52 -0500 Received: from Knapp.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tvQlz-000FauC; Sat, 9 Mar 96 07:41 PST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 96 07:41 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: ya Gafur Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: ya Ghafur Does innocense go anywhere can an angel lose its wings the self image of the moment appears to crytalyse and freeze the tempo dissapears an icon takes its place pretending to have been ravaged by experience: the motion of a thought in an increment in time and then we bow enslaved and caught in a creation or our own we cling to what we percieve is real a lie we told ourselves or told about ourselves which thoughtlessly created from that moment can be reduced to nothing which is all it ever was lift the veils from my heart let me see without the inconvenience of a lens let me cease inventing and have all interpritation dissappear so a world of wonder is finally liberated and can begin to reappear what causes us to be with You in shame the snare of hate, the grip of guilt, bonds of fear, imagined shackles and disaese, blood boiling from the heat of jealousy ravaged by desire is only a poor joke and an error, a mistake we are to priveledged to learn from and part of a lie that we were something less than perfect when you formed and fashioned us from mud and spit Remember Ibilis who would not bow who said that Your Creation was less than pure and not appropriate to show a gesture of respect ! Does an angel lose its wings does innocense go anywhere the icons that are made from vain imaginings and craven images are vanishing before they have appeared Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Mar 9 18:31:58 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07103; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:25:00 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA16617; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:38:43 -0500 Received: from diamond.sierra.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA16611; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:38:40 -0500 Received: from frank (slt-d39.sierra.net) by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA15764 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:38:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3141CE9E.3811@sierra.net> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 10:31:58 -0800 From: Frank Gaude Organization: HighSierra Online (HSO) X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: silence on net References: <199603080458.MAA16148@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au wrote: Hello, Rabia! > Finally, if it is not intruding too much, I would like to find out who in this newslist belongs to > which tariqa. Well, my two orders are Sufi Islamia Ruhaniat Society (founded by Murshid Samuel L. Lewis, i.e., Sufi Ahmed Murad Chisti, 1896-1971) and Sufi Movement Internatinal (lead presently by Inayat Khan's son, Hidayat). As a bridge worker I see Sufi Order in the West (founded by Inayat Khan's other son, Pir Vilayat) as an order of business. These three orders follow the Chisti line with "love, harmony, and beauty" the primary message. > Rabia ( Halvety-Jerrahi, Instanbul) as-salaam aleikhum, tanzen of tahoe From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Mar 9 19:12:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00400; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:23:01 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA20991; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:12:11 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA20986; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:12:07 -0500 Received: from Saturna.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tvU3d-000FbUC; Sat, 9 Mar 96 11:12 PST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 96 11:12 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: Jabriel poetry Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: My Dearest Rabia, Thank you very much for your immpresions of the sketch al Kabir. You are absolutly correct as far as I can tell nothing exists outside of Allah. But I must admit that I do not know what that means. That Allah has no boarder and no limitation also is apparent. O.K. so how than do we affirm through language and logic that Allah is distinct, that Allah is without partners. The closest that I have been able to discern about this is that Allah does not need space but space needs Allah. I love that since I normally concieve of space as having a feminine gender ( almost a womb like ) quality and thus it speaks clearly to me of Allah not needing or having a birth. Rabia there is something called the Opening. It is what occurs during retreat or during the time one is following the Shar'iah when out of love a revealing occurs. It is said that Ibn Arabi had this happen at a very young age, that within all seven hundred books which he wrote , all those books were expositories regarding the Holy Qu'ran and all of those expositories were transmitted and revealed, rather than something which he cooked up by intellect.. I think we know very little or in fact nothing of that which calls itself Allah. The names can be viewed as the name and the Name of the Name. We feel through our hearts the hearts of other's and find the splendor of our Lord, the attributes are reflected with poise and grace throughout the creation like hints pointing toward the opening in the veil. Rgarding what you say about Zahir and Batin I never though of it that way. I assume you mean soemthing like the front and the back of one's hand. If you shave the the front you have more from unhtil ultimately within the paradymn called front you have nothing at all with never reaching except to make non-exempt back. I would not pretend to know anything of the Qu'ran except it does seem that for each proposition in every verse in every sura there is an antithetical proposition and thus the gift of what is between yes-no. In regard to similitude and metaphor I am in no way condemning the use of metaphor I just hope that I can get the reader to think of some of their own rather than depending on the beautiful metaphors already known and now used as alost a worn type of anachronism. By the way I have not recieved your earlier postings. I am immediately prejudice toward you because of your namesake. She is absolutly the poet of all poets the saint of all saints, I both love Rabia and would be terrified of meeting her blazzing honesty and demand for Truth. Please write back as often as you like. I will always respond. Hopefully intelligently. Enclosed find the poem Hafiz. Love you Brother. Jabriel p.s. I would liove to hear what you have to say if anything about the meter, alliteration, cacaphony sound of the verse, is it too preachy, does it come off the page for you, is there any suggestions as to how to make that happen. What lines of which poems need more tightening than others. Hafiz Once in a crystal cave a Sorcerer somewhere from the middle east, or was it Central Asia, perhaps, Persia, appeared. He was simply an occurance which occured. He said his mission was to teach barbarians upon an isle a form of chivalry whereby a fledgling empire might be given in the moment a taste of mead very rare It was a honey wine he offered which seemed to make the tempelar and the drunklard walking backwards come from another angle and strike a prescense in the present which would teach them secrets which the future held Now this is a pretty tale but the opposite of the quality which turned the Islamic world upside down what is religeon but the blood and flesh of a believer what is a bell in a church to dhikr said allowed cracking at the crack of a deaf man's ear until that man can hear, what is wine to a saint but the path which is narrow and straight It is said with certain types of honey there is a limited amount and like plutonium needs gaurding from the hands of fools. Now there are bees and there are bees there are hornets and even wasps beware from whom you find this honey beware with whom you drink this mead Hafiz preserves all things in detail Hafiz encapsulates a moment and expands it to infinity Hafiz is drunk with You Allah could drop that capsul and let it spill this moment in the hand the next spreading across a cosmic floor racing after eternity Jabriel > > ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Mar 9 19:29:38 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10815; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:46:01 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA22814; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:28:42 -0500 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA22806; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:28:38 -0500 From: Hafizullah@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21615 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:29:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:29:38 -0500 Message-Id: <960309142937_164453739@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Calligraphy/Art Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-03-07 17:39:46 EST, you write: >if anyone knows of a place to find prints and books on > Islamic and/or Sufi calligraphy and art. I would recommend the Sufism Symposium at the end of this month in S.F. as an excellent starting point to make these kinds of connexions. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Mar 9 21:15:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27930; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:42:33 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA03355; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:16:11 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA03350; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:16:09 -0500 Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22255; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:15:02 -0500 Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01336; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:15:00 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:15:00 +1100 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Icarus [poem] Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Deep in each heart beyond the seven veils sits the Lord of the Worlds on the inner Throne humbly, humbly, gently, gently, Allah hiding within His magnificent Creation. Contemplation, meditation, La ilaha illah 'llah La ilaha illah 'llah Allah Allah Allah Allah He is the hearing with which you hear and the seeing with which you see and the feet with which you walk and the hands with which you greet and the heart's ocean waves in whose turbulence you drown and the mind's expansive universe in which you find wings to soar. I want to be like Icarus flying towards the sun Make my wings melt! So I will fall into Sea! Drowning, drowning in the inner ocean's peace life could not begin before drowning in Allah! Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Mar 10 04:28:56 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17635; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:47:39 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA09993; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:30:25 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA09984; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:30:21 -0500 Received: from longbow.usace.mil by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12084; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:28:59 -0500 Received: by longbow.usace.mil (4.0/SMI-4.0(USACE 4.0)) id AA14895; Sat, 9 Mar 96 20:28:56 PST Date: Sat, 9 Mar 96 20:28:56 PST From: kaye@usace.mil (Kaye McGee) Message-Id: <9603100428.AA14895@longbow.usace.mil> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: New Web Page for IAS! Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: An all-new web page is now available at: http://www.ias.org You will find lots of information about the upcoming Sufism Symposium (March 29-31, San Francisco). There is also information about Sufism, and about the International Association of Sufism and its activities and publications. Coming soon: a weekly Words of Wisdom feature. Please come visit! From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Mar 10 04:31:22 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19126; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:53:17 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA10194; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:32:34 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA10169; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:32:31 -0500 Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12999; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:31:37 -0500 Received: from pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (sbryquer@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.41]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17973 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:31:23 -0500 (EST) From: Simon Bryquer Received: (sbryquer@localhost) by pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA14120; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:31:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:31:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199603100431.XAA14120@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Calligraphy/Art Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >In a message dated 96-03-07 17:39:46 EST, you write: > >>if anyone knows of a place to find prints and books on >> Islamic and/or Sufi calligraphy and art. You have Netscape simply use their 'Net Search' engine top menu bar, if not there check all the drop downs and simply enter any combination of : Calligraphy Calligraphy and Islam Calligraphy Arabic You will get hundreds of sites. Of course 'Calligraphy' will give all Japanese, Chinese and etc. Good Luck, Simon Bryquer From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Mar 10 05:50:23 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15691; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 01:13:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA18569; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:53:37 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA18524; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:53:31 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11083; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:50:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Naqshbandia Foundation for Islamic Education To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum. I got an inquiry from someone on Compuserve affiliated with the Naqshbandia Foundation for Islamic Education. Unfortunately, their return address did not correctly come through to my mailing program. Did someone on this list happen to send that message, or does anyone have an email contact for that organization? Thanks very much. Habib Rose From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Mar 10 07:28:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08564; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 02:43:22 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA26793; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 02:28:10 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA26776; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 02:28:07 -0500 Received: from i19.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tvfXv-000Fb4C; Sat, 9 Mar 96 23:28 PST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 96 23:28 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: Icarus [poem] Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: My Dearest Farid ud-Dien Rice I have been at my computer all day trying to come with a sketch of al Jalil and just recieved your poem. It is soft, sublime and has left me feeling warm and sad (nostalgic) and very happy to be alive. Thank you. LOve. Your brother, Jabriel > > > > ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Mar 10 10:36:29 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29308; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:53:45 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id FAA06948; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:38:44 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id FAA06941; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:38:41 -0500 Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27889; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:36:31 -0500 Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA10583; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:36:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:36:29 +1100 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Icarus [poem, this time with sources] Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum, Sorry for reposting this poem, I wanted to add some sources this time at the end.... it makes me feel better to do so.... that way, whatever the quality of the poem, at least I can point out some good sources :) Thanks for the poems others (particularly Jabriel and Rabia) have been sharing.... I am a big lover of poetry, authentic poetry is a reflection of the heart's innermost states. With Peace, your dear brother, Farid ud-Dien Deep in each heart beyond the seven veils sits the Lord of the Worlds on the inner Throne humbly, humbly, gently, gently, Allah hiding within His magnificent Creation. Contemplation, meditation, La ilaha illah 'llah La ilaha illah 'llah Allah Allah Allah Allah He is the hearing with which you hear and the seeing with which you see and the feet with which you walk and the hands with which you greet and the heart's ocean waves in whose turbulence you drown and the mind's expansive universe in which you find wings to soar. I want to be like Icarus flying towards the sun Make my wings melt! So I will fall into the Sea! Drowning, drowning in the inner ocean's peace life could not begin before drowning in Allah! Sources: "seven veils": See, for example, the talk on the "greater jihad" by Shaykh Taner Ansari at the Qadiri-Rifa'i web site - check out Habib's list of Sufi web sites for this, at http://world.std.com/~habib/sufi.html "Throne": eg., the Throne verse, in Qur'an 2:255 "Allah hiding within His magnificent Creation": From Kabir Helminski's book "Living Presence," where he says that the humility of Shaykh Suleyman Dede reminds him of the words, "God is so humble, he totally hides himself within Creation." (p. 151.) "He is the hearing with which you hear..." and the next 3 lines: Essentially from a hadith qudsi in Bukhari. (A hadith qudsi is a saying of the Prophet (s) in which he quotes Allah speaking in the first person.) "Icarus": From Greek legend, if I remember right. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Mar 10 17:06:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01775; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:28:02 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA01480; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:08:47 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA01465; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:08:43 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25979; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:07:12 -0500 Received: from Chatham.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tvoZt-000FcsC; Sun, 10 Mar 96 09:06 PST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 09:06 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: al Hasib Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: al Hasib The pen has made its stroke it is written and only pride would look to see who is incomplete the need to render one's accounts is not to share some data with God who knows everything there is to know the need to render one's accounts allows every being to see how far along the path they have gone, from where they have come, and where they are going it verifies that all that ever could be given has been done and that ultimately all there is to know is the great perfection and the mystery of our unity and so may each moment be a stroke from the pen of Michael Angelo, no, more unique, may it be rendered to the Presence of the moment in surrender by your soul and may it unconceal behind one experience heaped upon another and the vantage point from a prideful and mean white cane called sometimes ego, sometimes mind, an appirition of the image of the self a frozen vision surrendered for a a vista shared with every neighbor you have ever known from the perspective of the spitiual being you know yourself to be as you reveal yourself to you to finally be liberated by your fidelity as you reveal yourself seeking and living the truth you are being as you reveal yourself like a flower budding, blooming returning to its Source. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 17:46:31 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23761; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:09:43 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA29376; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:32:51 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA29371; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:32:49 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05073; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:30:08 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA15800 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:27:51 +0800 Message-Id: <199603110227.KAA15800@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 11-Mar-1996 10:36:02 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: re-Icarus X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 1C474431816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: re-Icarus Date: 11 Mar 96 17:46:31 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A Dearest Farid, what a beautiful flight! I hope the quality and the subject of your poem will convince even Michael that this Chinese food of poetry is indeed very good for spiritual health! (As to engagement and disengagement, I think that the response evoked in some by the poetry we have seen on the tariqas indicates how this medium(poetry, I mean) can indeed communicate and open each other's inner senses...as to Michael I must appreciate his frankness, but I confess to agree to disagree on early everything he says...in true spirit of friensdship. Of course we are all different with different needs and tastes, and especially different ways to express them.) Dear Farid, I remember from my classical studies back in Italy reading about the fall of Icarus in the Hellespont (Greek sea), and the legend, transmitted by Horace in one of his odes, of his sisters mourning for him...They cried and cried and shed so many tears that they grew as beautiful poplar trees, a slender tree which is known to grow only where they have a deep source of water, so they are commonly found on river banks and on canals, especially in the landscape of my native Po valley , of which they are the symbol...They are glorius trees, in Autumn(September and October) their oval leaves( shaped a bit like an heart) become golden yellow and they tremble in the breeze, falling one after the other, from which their name "Tremula" (shaker ) A beautiful symbol of the heart of the dervish, who longs for return...Then in springtime, the seed pod is wrapped in a fine and soft white flock or ball, it is like silk wool, and then it is brought everywhere by the wind, and it looks like it is snowing...(this unfortunately caused me to contract an allergy, but did not stop me from loving poplars). It is the most gentle tree you can imagine, yet so tall and strong, its shape is pyramidial, like a cypress, and it normally grows in rows punctuating the lowlands scape of Romagna ( the land from the Adriatic sea, to Bologna, around the delta of the Po river, a land wrapped in mists all winter)...Forgive me this indulgence in lyrical evocation, I long for my birthplace(s) but that longing and separation has helped me in understanding the real longing and the real separation...Had I not left my land , culture and language some 20 years ago, I probably would have never found tariqa... I had forgotten all this, but came to my mind,and wanted to share with all, even those who have not a taste for lyrics, music and and similar indulgences! Love and appreciation from one of Icarus little sisters...hoping we can all disentangle ourselves from the dedalus of this labyrinth we call modern world, and ordinary mind, and grow some real wings which will not melt at the Sun's love. From onnbi@mol.net.my Mon Mar 11 16:22:54 1996 Received: from molhub.mol.net.my by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29829; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:24:47 -0500 Received: from pc-237kl.mol.net.my by molhub.mol.net.my; Mon, 11 Mar 96 11:27:10 +0800 To: Steve H Rose , "tariqas@world.std.com" Subject: Re: world sacred music festival (fwd) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 11:22:54 -0500 From: Onn B Hj Ibrahim X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Cc: "76260.1106@compuserve.com" <76260.1106@compuserve.com> Message-Id: <31439d8f2cc1002@molhub.mol.net.my> Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Onn B Hj Ibrahim * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Wednesday, 28-Feb-96 11:49 PM From: Steve H Rose \ Internet: (habib@world.std.com) To: tariqas@world.std.com \ Internet: (tariqas@world.std.com) cc: 76260. 1106@compuserve.com \ CompuServe: (76260,1106) Subject: world sacred music festival (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 27 Feb 96 18:36:47 EST From: Ira Kaufman <76260.1106@compuserve.com> To: steve Ross Subject: world sacred music festival You are cordially invited to the second annual World Sacred Music Festival in Fez, Morocco May 23-June 4, 1996. More than 20 sacred musicians of master stature will be featured. Included are Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Pakistan), the Symphonic Orchestra of Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Whirling Dervishes of Damascus (Syria), Jean David (France), the Osnabrucker Jugendchor (Germany), and the London Community Gospel Choir. Festival events will take place in and around the picturesque, ancient Fez medina where time stands still. One can awaken to the clatter of donkey hooves on cobblestones, the call to prayer, and the music of church bells echoing over the bustle of the medina. Here, experiences of a lifetime await you. The renown hospitality of the people, the rich colors and fragrances of the bazaar will introduce you to a home you never knew you had . Surrounded by the mighty Atlas mountains, you will live in a four-star hotel in the ancient walled city. You will experience the music, dance, presentations, and exhibitions of the festival with local hosts--in their mosaic-tiled courtyards, traditional spiritual centers, and homes. More than 3000 visitors representing different cultures and spiritual traditions of the world are expected to attend. Legacy International, a non-profit organization affiliated with the United Nations has the exclusive rights from the organizers of the festival to enroll a limited number of North American participants this year. Reservations are not available elsewhere. Our goal is to offer these limited spaces to individuals and groups representing a diversity of religious expression and interest in sacred music. The cost is $1895 per person (double occupancy) with special offers available to groups enrolling 10 or more participants by March 31. This all -inclusive package includes festival fees, hotel, two meals daily, air travel from New York or Boston, and excursions to places of interest. Contact: 1 800 841 6952 -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- Assalamualaikum We represent southeast asia's foremost Islamic entertainment group, Mash'aaliman Pte Ltd, or Light of Faith, and have successfully staged several national and cross-border shows. Example: We organised the opening and closing ceremonies of the Malaysia's Majlis Tilawah Al-Quran, recognised as the world's leading Quranic Reading Competition, attended by the world's leading qari and qariahs. Our shows have received recognition from the Malaysian government and from the highest quarters of Islamic institutions, including the Prime Minister's Department and Pusat Islam, Malaysia's central Islamic body. We would like to know how to present a show to the World Sacred Muslim Festival. Our presenters and artistes include some of the region's best Islamic performers. It will have the Malaysian Government support, and possibly endorsement too. By including us in your programme, your Festival will represent a broader section of the best in Islamic entertainment. We assure an Islamic flavour which is unique, and shows Islamic influence in our region, which has one the world's highest Islamic population. Please contact us at: Mash'aaliman Sdn Bhd, 5 Jalan Camar (6/2c), 40000 Shah Alam, Selangor, Malaysia. Tel and fax: 603 559 0939 or Direct Line, 603 559 0059. We will gladly share the cost of sending our team if we can be allowed to perform. A demo tape of our performance(s) can be couriered. Onn b Haji Ibrahim General Manager Mash'aaliman Sdn Bhd -- Marketing Director of ~ The Teenagers Circle http://www.exclamation.com/teencircle Editor of ~ Malaysia Information Centre http://www.yes.com. my/ourworld/malinfo/malinfo.htm From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 18:26:20 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06040; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:38:35 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA04403; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:09:59 -0500 Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA04359; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:09:47 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA09852 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:07:23 +0800 Message-Id: <199603110307.LAA09852@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 11-Mar-1996 11:15:48 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: For jabriel X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: B1514431816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: For jabriel Date: 11 Mar 96 18:26:20 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: This message is for Jabriel(though others may read it) I apologise for sending it on the tariqas, but for some reason it cannot get through at Jabriel's private mail. +++++++Jabriel poems on the beautiful names Dearest Jabriel, this letter was written a long time ago, but you have never received it, it appears, so I am trying again, with my apologies .You have been very patient! I will try to work on the spellcheck for your poems and send them back to you a few at the time, just give me a bit more time. Also I wish to congratulate you for your latest ones, they are beautiful! I appreciate very much the originality of your images and metaphors, and so does my husband who first remarked upon this feature of your poetry. You are right in this, why to settle always for the same old images when we can find so much in the never exhausted treasureway of modern language? Here is the previous posting: Dear Jabriel, I am happy to try to offer you some of the feedback you are looking for, but I must qualify it by saying that it is only my own ear and heart which guide me, I am not a native speaker of English, and though I have some experience in teaching literature(Italian) I cannot claim a specialistUs knowledge. Of course I have some experience in writing poetry, but I have never published myself, so I cannot really advise you on this. You may try some of the journals which specialise in sufism, such as SUFI , published quarterly by Khaniqahi Nimatullahi (distributed in Europe and USA), or SUFI REVIEW by Pir publications ( Jerrahi order of USA). MustafaU Abdul( Paul Bergner), a contributor of the tariqas newslist, contributes to both, and may advise you further on this . Should you like to pursue this avenue, if you wish, I can mention to the London assistant editor of SUFI ( which I correspond with through E/mail) that you will be sending some of your poems, though they are specially looking for stories, they will also consider poems to publish. I will enclose E/mail/ fax etc at the end of this letter. As to your poems, it has been a constant source of delight to read them and i have been looking forward to opening my mail in the last month specially because of them. They reveal an intense personal feeling, an effort to find expression in an original way and often contain real pearls. Though sometimes there are some obscurities (it may be my poor understanding of the language), and there are some oscillations in style and rhythm ( some verses tend to be more discursive, or too long , which causes an unbalance in the TmusicUof the poem), these aspects could be taken care of with some editing. When I first showed my poems to a colleague( he is a published poet) he advised me to get an editor...I later found out that this may be a very unsatisfactory exercise if the editor only has an expertise in literature, but not an understanding of the horizon you are writing from ( in this case, a spiritual one, and specifically sufi). Ideally you should find an editor who does have some understanding of sufism or at least one who resonates to spiritual poetry...Nevertheless ( such a person may be difficult to find) a good editor should provide you with valuable feedback on the readability of your poems, and be useful in many other ways. Of course all depends, in my view, on your motives for publishing and the audience you wish to reach. Amongst the pearls, or stars of first size enshrined in your poetry, I would quote the following verses as striking both for meaning and the form of expression: RThat this Sound carries my soul at nightS R and all that there was left to hold onto was the holdingS SBloom into that lucid moment/ we have for all time prayed forS ALLAH RMelt this mindS RTake this meS Rheal my Lord this wound of mistaken desperation/ shatter my Lord the false illusion of insufferable separationS RAHMAN Ra diamond heart which radiates with loveS RAHIM RI am a servant pretending to be a kingS Rremembering is nectar sweetS MALIK RDirect these dense feet/ upon a path of purityS Rlet these feet walk anywhere/knowing full well that everywhere/is the right directionS QUDDUS RCradled in your armsS Rwith Your ears I joined the callS SALAM RThis evaporating pronounS MUMIN RI dance between the gapsS RYou bead/counted hundreds of times every dayS MUYAMIN RFragments are just pieces/which forgot that they were wholeS JABBRAR Rbut said? only wordsS R A light behind the light casting thinking shadowsS MUSAWWIR RLike stars on the peak of the anthillS R to touch the majesty beyond that shroudS Rand i inhale every broken vowS Rthe truth/ that burns my face as raw as sandS desire/ to touch the touch of the countenanceS MUTAKKABIR BARI?KHALK?AZIZ? search for these poems Amongst all poems, the one which really touched me in the heart, (it may not be the best poetically, but it really resonates with me in so far it discloses an intimate experience and make me share in its reality) is SALAM. One poem which works very well in every stanza, is MALIK. I feel that some verses here and there tend to be too long, this changes the rhythm and affects the music within. Perhaps you could consider running them onto two different lines, for example: Verses 2 and 12 of Rahman( you could put a caesura after and after < humanity> Last verse of Quddus( you could split it after perhaps also verse 4 of stanza 4 in the same poem( after Verse 5 of Salam could be even more intense if you created a new verse after RThey beaconed meS/ R and with Your ears I(i?) joined the callS( you may also consider writing the personal pronoun with the minuscule: , this is a graphic devise I find very effective in conveying the spirit of Islam, and which I have borrowed myself from another poet, but cannot remember who...) Verse 4 of Mumin (after or after ) Also in the same poem: verse 12 (after ; perhaps also verse 20 after (this would give special intensity to the next verse :Swas a field filled with cancer cellsS and increase its musical value - the consonance of fricatives and soft made more effective by the cadence and rhythm of 4 main stresses) In the same poem, the stanza starting calls for some extra caesuras, I would suggest to rearrange as such : The Sura of the Calf reports about my type donUt think you know its meaning my name is Hanafi, and the law is quite obscure ( I do not understand this verse) donUt judge the hypocrite too harshly (s)he might reside within your soul the kaphir could surprise the saint by walking with the Prophet. Also later on, next stanza, I suggest caesuras with a stroke / as such: but faith allows/ the servant belief and all/ to disappear that sacred space/ and pulsating sound/appearing/ and disappearing in assurance, in faith and in certainty/ bearing witness with a stand. Verse 1 in Jabbrar is fine, but could be even more intense if: Fragments always incomplete/find what they lost/( the graphic separation of verses would underline the incompleteness and the completeness in a concrete, visible way) Second last verse of the poem, after In Musawwir I have some problem withSthe cross cultural / but archetypal dreamS(too academic in style) also is the next word rather than ? Mutakabbir: consider splitting in 2 the fourth verse(perhaps after , in order to isolate and enhance There are some misprints here and there (sometimes instead of etc., but those can be easily be picked up by you before you prepare the draft for submission to a publisher...) Contact: SUFI: 41 Chepstow Place, London W2 4TS UK tel (0171)221-1129 Fax/phone (0171) 229-0769 E mail ANurbakhsh@world.com. USA: 306 W.11th Street NY 10014 tel 212-924-7739 fax 212-924-5479 (They retain copyrights on all articles) SUFI REVIEW: Pir Publications, Inc. Colonial Green,256 Post Road East, Westport, CT 06880 tel (203) 221-7595 Fax: (203) 454-5873 Inc.d.b.a. Sufi Books, 227 West Broadway, NY NY 10013 (212)334-5212 For information on Pir Publications or Sufi Review contact: Louis Rogers, editor/publisher --------------- You may also try: Threshold books, they have published amongst other beautiful books: The Most Beautiful Names, compiled by Shaikh Tosun Bayrak al Jerrahi al-Halveti. (RD 3 Box 1350, Putney, Vermont 05346) From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 16:22:54 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13482; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:57:46 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA06899; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:27:09 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA06888; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:27:05 -0500 Received: from molhub.mol.net.my by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29829; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:24:47 -0500 Received: from pc-237kl.mol.net.my by molhub.mol.net.my; Mon, 11 Mar 96 11:27:10 +0800 To: Steve H Rose , "tariqas@world.std.com" Subject: Re: world sacred music festival (fwd) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 11:22:54 -0500 From: Onn B Hj Ibrahim X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Cc: "76260.1106@compuserve.com" <76260.1106@compuserve.com> Message-Id: <31439d8f2cc1002@molhub.mol.net.my> Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: -- [ From: Onn B Hj Ibrahim * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Wednesday, 28-Feb-96 11:49 PM From: Steve H Rose \ Internet: (habib@world.std.com) To: tariqas@world.std.com \ Internet: (tariqas@world.std.com) cc: 76260. 1106@compuserve.com \ CompuServe: (76260,1106) Subject: world sacred music festival (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 27 Feb 96 18:36:47 EST From: Ira Kaufman <76260.1106@compuserve.com> To: steve Ross Subject: world sacred music festival You are cordially invited to the second annual World Sacred Music Festival in Fez, Morocco May 23-June 4, 1996. More than 20 sacred musicians of master stature will be featured. Included are Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Pakistan), the Symphonic Orchestra of Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Whirling Dervishes of Damascus (Syria), Jean David (France), the Osnabrucker Jugendchor (Germany), and the London Community Gospel Choir. Festival events will take place in and around the picturesque, ancient Fez medina where time stands still. One can awaken to the clatter of donkey hooves on cobblestones, the call to prayer, and the music of church bells echoing over the bustle of the medina. Here, experiences of a lifetime await you. The renown hospitality of the people, the rich colors and fragrances of the bazaar will introduce you to a home you never knew you had From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 05:04:40 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27238; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:35:55 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA18996; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:05:54 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA18944; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:05:47 -0500 Received: from dns1.uga.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08784; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:04:51 -0500 Received: from cacimbo.ggy.uga.edu (cacimbo.ggy.uga.edu [128.192.40.157]) by dns1.uga.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20320 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:04:41 -0500 Received: from cacimbo (cacimbo [128.192.40.157]) by cacimbo.ggy.uga.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA09993 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:04:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:04:40 -0500 (EST) From: "B. Taylor" X-Sender: btaylor@cacimbo To: Tariqas List Subject: Al Saki Bookshop, London tariqas, & the PKK Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Sisters and Brothers: Assalaam aleikum. I would like to visit, insh'Allah, the Al Saki Bookshop in London (as mentioned in Sufism Resource Guide). If someone would please email me directions from Victoria Station or from the nearest Tube station, I would greatly apprieciate it. If any tariqas in London are having a dhikr on Thurday, March 14 (or any other gatherings between the 14-17), I would love to participate if allowed. I am greatful for any information or contacts. Thank you for everything. Love, brad - Athens, GA "backpacking to Mevlana" PS - Any information regarding the effect of the conflict between the PKK and the Government of Turkey on bus travel from Ankara to Damascus (road blocking, bombings, detention of tourist/travellers, killings and other unpleasantries) would also be greatly apprieciated. Freewheeling easy going God-loving shoestring travel companions also welcome! Especially those interested in exploring Bulgaria and Romania a little or possible trips to Lebanon, Damascus, Tehran, Shiraz, Tabriz, or Alamut (if we can get Visas for Iran). From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 08:12:14 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00878; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:15:28 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA06955; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:15:28 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00513; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:12:14 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA06742; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:12:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:12:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199603110812.DAA06742@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Non-member submission from [MJVBEG@jazz.ucc.uno.edu] Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Mon Mar 11 03:12:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA06728; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:12:11 -0500 From: MJVBEG@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Received: from jazz.ucc.uno.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00406; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:11:02 -0500 Received: from jazz.ucc.uno.edu by jazz.ucc.uno.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #11893) id <01I27222JXKC93FJ15@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> for TARIQAS@WORLD.STD.COM; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:11:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:11:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Copyright Laws To: TARIQAS@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I27222JXKE93FJ15@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> X-Vms-To: TARIQAS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Some time ago. someone posted a very useful description of copyright laws that I printed out then deleted. If someone still has it, could I pleased be forwarded a copy so that i may in turn forward it forth to another list inquiring about certain such rules? Thanks. =Mackie= From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 14:54:57 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05179; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:14:41 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id JAA14196; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:54:15 -0500 Received: from bbs.cruzio.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id JAA14187; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:54:12 -0500 Received: from pine196.cruzio.com by bbs.cruzio.com id aa23622; 11 Mar 96 6:54 PST X-Sender: dances@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:54:57 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: james hallam Subject: Re: Al Saki Bookshop, London tariqas, & the PKK Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: khaniqah Nimatullahi has Majles thurs abd sundays in London their number if you wish to speak to the Shaikh is 011 44 171 229 0769 james From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 14:42:24 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08144; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:19:17 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id JAA13057; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:45:48 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id JAA13047; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:45:45 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10518; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:42:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:42:24 -0500 (EST) From: arsalaan fay Subject: chinese food To: tariqas@facteur.std.com In-Reply-To: <199603110227.KAA15800@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: chinese food is good indeed, and healthful. Remenber Mevlana said his poetry was like the bread of Egypt. (good today and stale tommorrow) Peace Arsalaan From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 16:41:14 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02855; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:21:45 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA04680; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:46:41 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA04631; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:46:31 -0500 Received: from gorplex.j51.com (j51.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06724; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:40:13 -0500 Received: (from zaineb@localhost) by gorplex.j51.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA27514; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:41:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:41:14 -0500 (EST) From: Zaineb Istrabadi To: Tariqas List Subject: Re: Al Saki Bookshop, London tariqas, & the PKK In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Wa alaykum assalam. The address of al-Saki bookstore is: 26 Westbourne Grove W2. If you take the underground (Central line) get of at Queensway (the Bayswater station is closed for repairs). When you emerge from the Underground turn left and ask for directions, of if you walk down Queensway you will eventually come to the intersection of Queensway and Westbourne Grove. I do hope that I have not given you improper directions. There is another fabulous Islamic bookstore in London on Charing Cross Road. I do not have the address on me at the moment, but please feel free to remind me if I do not post it in the next couple of days. I'd like to take this opportunity since I haven't written to the list for a while to extend belated `Id greetings to everyone. I went overseas a couple of days before the end of Ramadan and only returned a little over ten days ago and have been trying to catch up with things at the office and elsewhere. With best wishes to all, Zaineb Istrabadi On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, B. Taylor wrote: > Hello Sisters and Brothers: > > Assalaam aleikum. > > I would like to visit, insh'Allah, the Al Saki Bookshop in London (as > mentioned in Sufism Resource Guide). If someone would please email me > directions from Victoria Station or from the nearest Tube station, > I would greatly apprieciate it. > > If any tariqas in London are having a dhikr on Thurday, March 14 (or > any other gatherings between the 14-17), I would love to participate if > allowed. I am greatful for any information or contacts. > > Thank you for everything. > > Love, > brad - Athens, GA > "backpacking to Mevlana" > > > PS - Any information regarding the effect of the conflict between the PKK > and the Government of Turkey on bus travel from Ankara to Damascus (road > blocking, bombings, detention of tourist/travellers, killings and other > unpleasantries) would also be greatly apprieciated. > > Freewheeling easy going God-loving shoestring travel companions also > welcome! Especially those interested in exploring Bulgaria and Romania a > little or possible trips to Lebanon, Damascus, Tehran, Shiraz, Tabriz, or > Alamut (if we can get Visas for Iran). > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 17:32:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18746; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:18:07 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA13925; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:38:41 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA13911; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:38:36 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10102; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:32:29 -0500 Received: from Darcy.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0twBSB-000FbWC; Mon, 11 Mar 96 09:32 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 09:32 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: al Jalil Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Al Jalil Turner of hearts, turn our hearts toward looking at the enemy and finding instead Your perfect love and serenity. Open our eyes, and have this shroud we call reality, lift, as we witness that existence is reflected through the brilliance of Your Being. I know one drop of Your love, is larger than a full October moon, ten times magnified. Let the ether than of a drop of a drop, like a pearl become lodged, within this breast making of it a sacred spot, the kingdom which we see, as we look upon our neighbor, and experience You my Lord the Friend. Ignite this throne of fire within our heart with Your Divine infusion, lending knowledge for others to glean that You are as close as close can be. You are what some call (wujud) the finding how else can the Penultimate, the Epiphany be. Your mystery becomes breathing mountains flowing trees, the swelling waters of the seas these are but a taste of Your delight You are the act of all, You are the Power behind the act Your power seen Lord from this infinitesimal height is horrific, Your majesty too much to take in, as the door opens we turn from fear of shattering what sense we have, we shudder at the vast responsibility of even knowing , who we are. How then can we know You as you appear and the window opens and at dawn the first light of one small star smiles as we begin our day to remind us You are here to make us as before and wherever You may be all sin will disappear. Open our capacity I pray, let us find You through these Names which thread together Your holy Book each name a jewel between the essence and the relationship You are the Sublime, the Exalter, the Generous, the Forgiver the Preserver, the Patient, the Maker the Seeing and the Hearing You are the Finding and we are Your most honored creation a perfect mirror and a witness unto Thee as we see our neighbors clearly turner of hearts, turn our heats and open up this capacity. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 17:40:40 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02709; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:40:03 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA20486; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:54:36 -0500 Received: from halon.sybase.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA20466; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:54:32 -0500 Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA06627; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:54:58 -0800 Received: from serii.sybase.com ([158.159.40.63]) by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA02829; Mon, 11 Mar 96 09:54:31 PST Received: by serii.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA15292; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:40:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:40:40 -0800 From: mateens@sybase.com (Mateen Siddiqui) Message-Id: <9603111740.AA15292@serii.sybase.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Al Saki Bookshop, London tariqas, & the PKK X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: salaam alaykum, Dhikr is held at the Haqqani Islamic Priory, 277 St. Ann's Rd, Tottenham which is near the Seven Sisters underground station, Thursday nights, around 7:00 pm. Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani is currently present. --mateen siddiqui ___________________________________________________________ Naqshbandi-Haqqani Sufi Foundation URL:http://www.best.com/~informe/haqqani/ EUROPE MIRROR: http://www.ummah.org.uk/haqqani/ From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Mar 11 18:07:18 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21522; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:05:01 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA24288; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:14:05 -0500 Received: from adeskgate.autodesk.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA24252; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:13:59 -0500 From: lisa.rapp@autodesk.com Received: from autodesk.autodesk.com by adeskgate.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) with ESMTP id KAA29390; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:17:01 -0800 Received: from unix2cc.autodesk.com by autodesk.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) with ESMTP id KAA12885; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:12:00 -0800 Received: from smtpcc.autodesk.com by unix2cc.autodesk.com (8.6.5/4.4BSD) with SMTP id KAA05503; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:13:22 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by smtpcc.autodesk.com id AA826568255; Mon, 11 Mar 96 10:07:18 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 10:07:18 PST Message-Id: <9602118265.AA826568255@smtpcc.autodesk.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: thanks! Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Asalamu Aleykum, I wish to thank everyone for their response to my question about where to find Islamic art/calligraphy. I truly appreciate your help and your hearts. lisa.