From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Sun Jul 7 07:23:16 1996 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #30 tariqas-digest Tuesday, 25 June 1996 Volume 01 : Number 030 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JHulvey@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:49:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Healing Web Page In a message dated 96-06-25 04:42:02 EDT, you write: >The basic principle in Sufi >>Healing is that the True Healer is God Himself: the Sufis only act >>as mediators. > >So this is 'spiritual power'? I'd say yes. What would your definition of spiritual power be? >Of the many witches i know, NONE of them use the help of evil spirits. Perhaps you are taking what was said on the web page out of its cultural context. I say perhaps, because I haven't seen the page and I'm not sure what the context is. But I doubt if the Gardnerian neo-paganism you refer to has caught on yet in the middle east. There are witches and there are witches. > It seems, to me, almost trivial to seek 'healing' >of financial problems... when the Earth Mother is crying... You know what they say...the hungry man cannot recycle.... To read an interesting write-up on Wicca's roots in Sufi practices, read Idries Shah's "The Sufis", the chapter called "Strange Rites". I believe both Doreen Ashcroft (sp? Author of Witchcraft A-Z) and Barbara Walker have used Shah's material. Jules ------------------------------ From: Frank Gaude Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:36:46 -0700 Subject: Tuesday's Rumi Good Morning, folks! HOW VERY CLOSE is your soul with mine i know for sure everything you think goes through my mind i am with you now and doomsday not like a host caring for you at a feast alone with you i am happy all the times the time i offer my life or the time you gift me your love offering my life is a profitable venture each life i give you pay in turn a hundred lives again in this house there are a thousand dead and still souls making you stay as this will be yours a handful of earth cries aloud i used to be hair or i used to be bones and just the moment when you are all confused leaps forth a voice hold me close i'm love and i'm always yours RUMI ghazal number 1515, translated March, 1991, by Nader Khalili, RING OF FIRE, Burning Gate Press, Los Angeles. tanzen ------------------------------ From: Ellen L Price Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:45:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Spirituality and Significant Others On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Keeper of the Dragon Flagon wrote: [snip] > > That might be it also. I have met many men who have virtually no intellectual > interest in their chosen partner. I have a very dear friend of mine (the > closest thing I have ever had to a little sister) who is going through this > situation. She is very spiritual and just brimming over with love for everyone > and everything, which her husband takes to mean she wants to sleep around. > Not only that, he is very anti-spiritual to the point that he doesn't even > want her to leave, say, a pack of Tarot cards lying around in his presence. > She isn't asking him to participate, but just accept her for who she is! > --------------------------------------- > Brett W. McCoy "Unix was never designed to keep > Istvan Dragosani people from doing stupid things, > istvan@gnn.com because that policy would also keep > Disciple of the Eastern Mysteries them from doing clever things." > of both Love and War -- Doug Gwyn He sounds like a very insecure and controlling man. Keep an eye on your friend, she may eventually need your help. Ellen ------------------------------ From: Fred Rice Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:56:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: Masters Dear Kaffea Lalla, Thanks for your beautiful poem :) On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote: > Dear God > I must admit that I seek only You > And the clear truth You hold. > When Jesus healed on the Sabbath > Religious masters said, "You are > breaking the law. > They didn't know the living scriptures of the heart. > They only knew the words in books. I agree completely! :) > Don't send me a master that would kill the poetry > Or who is much too serious and frowns at everything > And barks in righteousness. > Send me, if You desire > One who knows how to love and smile > And dance... Yes, I too love a Sufi Shaykh who can smile! > But you should know God > You are the Ultimate Master > The wisdom of all wisdom > In You I completely trust. > Kaffea Lalla Peace, Fariduddien Rice ------------------------------ From: Ellen L Price Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:52:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Spirituality and Significant Others On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 JHulvey@aol.com wrote: [snip] > > One Ross's friends, of whom I've become quite fond, became interested in Sufi > studies about 4 or 5 years ago through seeing books sitting around at our > place. . He's always on the lookout for his "Sufi teacher"; and says (only > 1/2 joking) my husband is probably our teacher. But then, he says the same > thing about my dog, a Basset hound who's the soul of love. (Hope no one is > offended..) > > Jules > Dr. Andrew Wyeth, writer of several books on holistic health, says that he regularly engauges in "dog" thereapy. His dog is the best therapist he knows. The sits listening quietly to the Dr.'s problems with total love and never interrupts or makes any untoward remarks. Ellen ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:01:09 -0400 Subject: Re: False Face Hi, Hudoyo, >I'd love to hear/read the other stories by Mad Bear. >Are they contained in a book? If they are, could you >please inform me about the book (title, publisher etc.)? I'm not sure how many actual 'stories' /Mad Bear/ contains. It /does/ contain his Teachings... but having only read 94 pages of 350, i have not come across any other 'stories', per se. The book is Doug Boyd's account of the many years he spent traveling, working, living and learning with Mad Bear, a Tuscarora (Haudenassannee) Medicine Man. /Rolling Thunder/ is Doug Boyd's very detailed and loving account of his time spent with the Cherokee (and adopted Shoshone) Medicine Man, Rolling Thunder. Again, it contains Teachings... but not many in 'story' form. Both of these books are, in a way, Doug Boyd's "stories"... Teaching through living and experience. These are two books that i currently have, written by Doug Boyd: /Rolling Thunder/, copyright 1974, a Delta book (paperback), published by Dell Publishing, NY, NY. ISBN 0-385-28859-X /Mad Bear - Spirit, Healing and the Sacred in the Life of a Native American Medicine Man/, copyright 1994 by Doug Boyd - Touchstone books, NY, NY ISBN 0-671-75945-0 Doug Boyd has written several other books, including /Swami/ and /Mystics, Magicians, and Medicine People/, which i will seek out when i finish reading /Mad Bear/. :) Does anyone here know if Doug Boyd is a Sufi? ... or anything about the Cross Cultural Learning Project? >Thank you very much, dear Woodsong. And thank you for >the sharing. You are very welcome. Thank you for asking! :) love to all! woodsong ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:01:17 -0400 Subject: Re: False Face Hi, Tanzen, >Thanks, woodsong! some powerful medicine you give us. Did you know that those >who have only positive thoughts have no need of Medicine Shields? "The principle of cause and effect is at work everywhere, and somebody has to receive the results of everybody's doings. Every sentence or thought or act has an effect on somebody. If someone has a destructive thought or wish, it has to have an effect on someone. If it doesn't work on someone else, it works back on the person who created it.... The purpose of good medicine is to make it simple. There's no need to create any opposing destructive force; that only makes more negative energy and more results and more problems... "If you have a sense of opposition -- that is, if you feel contempt for others -- you're in a perfect position to receive their contempt. The idea is to not be a receiver. You people have such anger and fear and contempt for your so-called criminals that your crime rate goes up and up. Your society has a high crime rate because it is in a perfect position to receive crime. You should be working /with/ these people, not in opposition to them. The idea is to have contempt for crime, not for people. It's a mistake to think of any group or person as an opponent, because when you do, that's what the group or person will become. It's more useful to think of every other person as another /you/ -- to think of every individual as a representative of the universe. "Every person is plugged into the whole works. Nobody is outside of it or affects it any less than anyone else. Every person is a model of life, so the true nature of a person is the nature of life. I don't care how low you fall or how high you climb, economically or academically or anything else, you still represent the whole thing. Even the worst criminal in life imprisonment sitting in his cell -- the center of him is the same seed, the seed of the whole creation." Mad Bear /Rolling Thunder/, by Doug Boyd >I wonder, looking at names, if False Face, Creator, Great Lord of the >Universe, >Great Spirit, all equate to Great Mysterious, the un-nameable, that which >stands >behind Allah? Rolling Thunder said something very interesting... "There are many gods, but only one Creator." love to all! woodsong ------------------------------ From: Keeper of the Dragon Flagon Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:41:56 Subject: Re: Healing Web Page >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:49:01 -0400 >From: JHulvey@aol.com >Perhaps you are taking what was said on the web page out of its cultural >context. I say perhaps, because I haven't seen the page and I'm not sure >what the context is. But I doubt if the Gardnerian neo-paganism you refer >to has caught on yet in the middle east. There are witches and there are >witches. A particular western esoteric order I am an initiate incorporates Sufism into it quite extensively, especially Sufi Chivalry (Futuwwah). While this order is not actually neo-pagan in either it spiritual/philosophcial basis or structure, there are some neo-pagan (i.e., Gardnerian & Alexandrian) initiates. There seems to be a very strong pull lately towards Sufism is many esoteric circles lately. >To read an interesting write-up on Wicca's roots in Sufi practices, read >Idries Shah's "The Sufis", the chapter called "Strange Rites". That's interesting. - --------------------------------------- Brett W. McCoy "Unix was never designed to keep Istvan Dragosani people from doing stupid things, istvan@gnn.com because that policy would also keep Disciple of the Eastern Mysteries them from doing clever things." of both Love and War -- Doug Gwyn ------------------------------ From: Keeper of the Dragon Flagon Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:53:18 Subject: Re: Tuesday's Rumi >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:36:46 -0700 >From: Frank Gaude >Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com >To: Winged Heart Mail List >cc: Tariqas Mail List >Subject: Tuesday's Rumi > >Good Morning, folks! > > HOW VERY CLOSE That was wonderful, of course. Just what I needed! Thank you! - --------------------------------------- Brett W. McCoy "Unix was never designed to keep Istvan Dragosani people from doing stupid things, istvan@gnn.com because that policy would also keep Disciple of the Eastern Mysteries them from doing clever things." of both Love and War -- Doug Gwyn ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:40:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Healing Web Page Hiya, Jules! :) >>The basic principle in Sufi >>>Healing is that the True Healer is God Himself: the Sufis only act >>>as mediators. >> >>So this is 'spiritual power'? > >I'd say yes. What would your definition of spiritual power be? I'd say it was along those lines. <> My questions were not meant to imply disagreement. I was trying to understand how the terms were being used as they related to the 'categories' of healing. I was a bit confused by it all. Still am. :) >>Of the many witches i know, NONE of them use the help of evil spirits. > >Perhaps you are taking what was said on the web page out of its cultural >context. I say perhaps, because I haven't seen the page and I'm not sure >what the context is. But I doubt if the Gardnerian neo-paganism you refer to >has caught on yet in the middle east. There are witches and there are >witches. <> > yes, of course! :) I am a bit touchy about this i guess. My friends who call themselves witches have to deal with a lot of misunderstanding... and worse. So, i do tend to get in 'defensive mode' at times. Please forgive my ignorance. I do not know of any other 'witches'. >> It seems, to me, almost trivial to seek 'healing' >>of financial problems... when the Earth Mother is crying... > >You know what they say...the hungry man cannot recycle.... Of course we need basic needs met first... before we can deal with anything else. That wasn't quite what i was referring to. When i hear of 'healing' financial problems' (again, i may be way out of line here with all kinds of erroneous assumptions), i think of such as that which is done by many, especially here in the 'Bible Belt': Asking for stuff. I will not pray for people to get 'this or that'... i pray for all things to work out for the higher good. >To read an interesting write-up on Wicca's roots in Sufi practices, read >Idries Shah's "The Sufis", the chapter called "Strange Rites". >I believe both Doreen Ashcroft (sp? Author of Witchcraft A-Z) and Barbara >Walker have used Shah's material. Thanks Jules! :)(: love to all! woodsong ------------------------------ From: Frank Gaude Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:58:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Healing Web Page Hello, dear ones! CWoodsong@aol.com wrote: > >Among the services > >to humanity which the Sufis consider superior to all others > >is the healing of the sick. Their method is called > >The Sufi Healing. > > Why is this service superior to all others? To "heal" the sick is the number one service, is what is being implied. > Do Sufis consider this 'Sufi Healing' superior to other Ways? Can't say what others think... to me, healing is healing... if a human or any other being is helped, so be it. > >There are four kind of healing methods known to us: > > > + modern > > + traditional (accupuncture, herb remedies, etc.) > > + spiritism (yoga, magnetism, hypnotism, breath exercise, etc.) > > + spiritual power > > This seems quite simplistic, as most 'methods' use a combination of all > these, yes? Yes, but consider our dear friends in the context of Indonesia. Look over the two Web pages posted and feel, sense the love from that area of our beautiful planet. Could we describe Baha'i Faith in Indonesian as well as Michael did Sufism in English? > How does spiritism differ from spiritual power? Can't say; Michael will have to tell us. His understanding here will guide us to his local context. > What is the source of this power? God, for sure, for there is no other source for anything. > >Sufi healing methods can be regarded as an Islamic therapy practiced > >exclusively by the Sufis for centuries. The basic principle in Sufi > >Healing is that the True Healer is God Himself: the Sufis only act > >as mediators. > > So this is 'spiritual power'? Or one could call it Peace, from such comes all other "power". What is Peace? Stillness! No movement of anykind, no vibration... it could be called the non-create. > >Witch or voodoo doctors are also preferred by some people to cure > >their illness. Many of them are using help from jinns or evil spirits. > >This method is different from Sufi Healing which does not seek > >help from jinns or evil spirits. > > Of the many witches i know, NONE of them use the help of evil spirits. (I > do not know what jinn are). So called "evil" spirits can be used to effect changes in objects, in people, but because of the character of such spirits (they are subconscious minds, low-selves, that have been separated from their middle selves, i.e., their rational minds, no High Selves around), usually due to violent deaths, quick, fatal accidents, and still seek a body to "take care of", with which to be associated. There is nothing evil, just a lack of good, good being tolerance, wisdom, justice, faith, unity, and love. Our Native Americans use all kinds of medicine to counter these spirits. But from direct personal experience I know that positive thoughts about all things overcomes any "evil"... this is the base most sufis use for full health. See all things as aspects of The Beloved, thus you see yourself whole. Jinns are mental spirits (wills) that have left earth plane and await returning. They return when desire gets strong enough to "play in density". > >Traditional medicine or therapy (water therapy, aromatherapy, etc.) > >are also sometimes used by the Sufis depending on the condition > >of the patient. > > With 'enough' faith, this is all unnnecessary? True, but how do you get this faith? This question is asked over and over. The answer is usually: through prayer, through surrender to God. Some my say we get it when we are ready, have done sufficient "work" on ourselves... I say we get it through close observation of the "book of nature". Many people know, understand we live is a structured universe with layer upon layer of intelligence, layer upon layer of consciousness, one of hierarchy, one of levels, octave within octave of levels. KNOW THYSELF and much clears up. Learn how to suffer and you need suffer no more unless you consciously desire to suffer! (Hey, you ready for another juice?) > >The Sufis also combine the using of God's attributes and holy > >verses with prayer in a specific and complex method. The > >formulations may be written on a paper, bone, or leather, > >which is called "wifq". Those formulations are then put > >in a glass of water to be taken by the patient, buried in the > >ground, or carried around by the patient. They can also be > >spoken aloud, taken to heart, or transfered through > >many other ways. > > hmmm... this is interesting... can anyone tell me more about this? "Formulations" are what is called physical stimulii... faith comes from such, sometimes! Kahunas use Ti leaves and water, sprinkled around, to transform the environment and bring about the necessary confidence for "miracles" to occur. All church rituals try for the same effect... but as soon as they get routine, i.e., become habits, vain repetitions, taken for granted, come from subconscious instead of conscious, they stop working. Such is true for even simple prayer sessions. Consciousness is the link between low-self and High Self. "Get conscious and stay conscious" is a good slogan for many of us. > >The formulations can be applied not only to cure mental or > >physical illness, but also to solve family, financial, or > >social problems. > > If this cure comes from a 'healer' and not from the patient herself, how is > 'transformation' acheived? They don't come from the healer but from total relationship. Such is life! Transformation comes about through conscious desire, will, spirit, and intentional suffering! Think: Spirit is the architect, mind the builder, and material substance that which is built. Plan your goal, do the work, reap the rewards; then be done with it! Life is so short... > It seems, to me, almost trivial to seek > 'healing' of financial problems... when the Earth Mother is crying... How can we be judges? A human is "closer" to God than earth? Does God consider Earth Mother superior along Ray of Creation? Who knows Will of Absolute? Do not Native Americans call such Great Mysterious? To know WHAT IS is sufficient for now, to KNOW WHY is to know the mind of Absolute, that which stands behind Allah. Pray, to KNOW WHAT WE ARE! Amin. > >This last method uses power from God's angels for constructive > >purposes, and it is not the same as with voodoo, black magic, > >or witchcraft which use the power from jinns or evil spirits. > > Witchcraft, also known as Wicca, is of the Light. Yes! Voodoo means Spirit, coming from the French... I was born in south Louisiana where many Hattians migrated and live today. Voodoo is very big there. From experience I believe Voodoo is as noble as Christianity or Islam, or any organized religion. In California, Voodoo became to be known as "santa-ria" and is a beautiful, much-misunderstood by outsiders, practice. Of course, there are those who pervert the best of practices. So be it! as it follows Laws of Creation that gives us our free wills. God gets to know self, Self, through much inefficiency. Why? Ask your low-self to ask your High Self to ask Spirit of Guidance to ask Lord of All Galaxies. > >This homepage only gives a short introduction to Sufi Healing. > >Those interested in knowing more about Sufi Healing, or Sufism > >in general, are encouraged to read these books: > > I'll look for them. Thanks. Yes, please do look and sense those people for what they are: The Beloved, you, with big hearts, hearts of gold turned to Love. Peace, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Lilyan Kay Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Spirituality and Significant Others On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 informe@best.com wrote: > You know, I never felt like I made a conscious choice, at that point. We > had been on a few dates, then I stayed over one night, and the next, and > the next. Four months later I panicked and asked to be alone for a month to > sort out my feelings. After a month of solitude, I felt very good, and when > I saw her again, she was utterly miserable. I felt sorry for her and knew > that I could make her feel better, so we started up again. > > [This, like my other postings on the subject, was the way I experienced it. > If you had been a fly on the wall, you might have seen it differently. > Apply this disclaimer to all my postings...] > > Since you mentioned that your husbands were "poor marriage material", if I > remember it right, can you explain the differences between good and bad? asalaam-u-aleikum The difference between good and bad is in onesself. It is not important the ways in which potential mates are poor choices, because those are available everywhere in infinite numbers (they can be found in bars, classrooms, offices, masjids, on the internet and in the dergahs). It is important why and how one chooses them. Following shari'a eliminates the folly of intimacy outside of commitment, without the benefit of forethought or consideration - the cart before the horse. But purifying one's intention - not basing one's choices and actions on nafs/desire is much trickier, especially in this context. If one really wants something, the nafs' tendency is to turn a blind eye to whatever stands in the way of getting it - even if it is the truth. Lily ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:41:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Healing Web Page Loving greetings to all! >Yes, but consider our dear friends in the context of Indonesia. Look over the >two Web pages posted and feel, sense the love from that area of our beautiful >planet. Could we describe Baha'i Faith in Indonesian as well as Michael did >Sufism in English? Tanzen, as you know, i can hardly explain the simplest of concepts, or what-have-you in my own native tongue! (yes, for those wondering, it's English! ) My apologies to all here, especially Michael. I did not intend for my words to be in any way harsh, or judgmental of what was shared -- sufism, or... anything (i pray). I am, at times, very limited in my 'way of seeing'. And i truly appreciate hearing/seeing other ways... i seek to see through others' eyes... and sometimes my questions seem to be rude, inconsiderate, or ignorant. The ignorance you can all help me with... the rest i'm working on! <> Thank you Tanzen for your enlightening post! (...and the juice ;) You know i'll be back with more questions. :) Thank you ALL for helping me see Beauty, everywhere! What a wonderful journey this is! much love to all! woodsong . ------------------------------ From: barzakh@idola.net.id Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:45:36 +0700 Subject: Answers (Re: Healing Web Page) Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. Assalamu'alkaykum to all, Dear woodsong, Thank you for your questions, I hope these answers will give more understanding for you and the other sisters and brothers here. Please ask about things that you are still unclear of. At 12:39 AM 6/25/96 -0400, you wrote: > ..... (Sufi healing service)........ >Why is this service superior to all others? Do Sufis consider this 'Sufi >Healing' superior to other Ways? > Sufis' service to people is to heal their physical body and their spiritual body. The first is by curing their sickness, and the second is by lifting their spiritual stage. It depends on their needs. But usually the last is given only to the Sufis' disciples. It is the Way of the Sufis. It is superior to other things done by the Sufis which are not for this purpose. My Sufi master's service here through internet is only the first. While the second can be obtained from our own sheykhs, do you have one? > .........(four methods)........ >This seems quite simplistic, as most 'methods' use a combination of all >these, yes? Yes... :-) >How does spiritism differ from spiritual power? What is the source of this >power? > I should have add the word "Divine" in front of "spiritual power". (I hope someone would advice a better English word for this). Spiritism use power from nature, but some also use power from jinns. While Divine spiritual power use angelic power. The angels are the source of this power, and they work only under the command from good persons (Prophets and Sufis). Remember that God told all angels to prostrate to Adam (Sorry, I forgot which verse in the Qur'an mentioning this). So the angels will obey all human which spiritual and faith qualities are at least like prophet Adam (peace be upon him). >Of the many witches i know, NONE of them use the help of evil spirits. (I do >not know what jinn are). > I think they do, but they only don't know that they are helped by jinns (known in the West as spirits). Please tell me more about these American witches. Well, I'm surprised that there are still witches in your country. What kind of witches are they? What are their practices? I don't want to go in conclusions before knowing them better. Not all jinns are evil, there are many good jinns too. I hope your witches are helped by these good ones. Anyway, God forbid us to seek help from these jinns (see surah Jin at Qur'an), because it will cause them to be arrogant. They also ask for payment too. Angels don't. Jinns are God's creature made from flame of fire. (Human from clay). They are not the same with Satan or Iblis. Qur'an and Hadits mention these jinns many times. Some of them are good, some of them are bad (it's the evil spirit). They are like human, but live in a different dimension (or frequencies?). The bad guys of them will be punished with Hell, and the good ones will be rewarded with Paradise. They don't have their own prophets, and learn to know God from human around them. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) sometimes gave special speeches for them. So there are Moslem jinns, Christian jinns, Hindu jinns, etc. The worst is the Kafir jinns. I'd like to explain more, but I don't want to burden dear brother Habib's server with long letters. I hope you'll find more info about them through Qur'an and Hadits. Some explanations about jinns from Moslem scholars are good, some are not. The best are from the Sufis. >>Traditional medicine or therapy (water therapy, aromatherapy, etc.) ....... > >With 'enough' faith, this is all unnnecessary? > of course yes, dear sister, but therapies are helpful to speed up the healing process. >>The Sufis also combine the using of God's attributes and holy >>verses with prayer in a specific and complex method. The >>formulations may be written on a paper, bone, or leather, >>which is called "wifq". .......... > >hmmm... this is interesting... can anyone tell me more about this? > The process of this wifq making is rather complex. Some of them must be done after salaat (prayers), must face the Kibla (Mecca), in a quiet room, using special ink, not to speak with anybody, sometimes with one or two hour dhikrs. This wifq will call specific angels that will do specific job. (to cure someone, to guard something, etc.), and will only obey those with pure hearts. Sufis are the best in doing this, but honest, faithful Moslems can also make some easy wifqs. Must be a Moslem, because he/she must accepts the shahada. (No God but Allah, and Muhammad is His prophet). >>The formulations can be applied not only to cure mental or >>physical illness, but also to solve family, financial, or >>social problems. > >If this cure comes from a 'healer' and not from the patient herself, how is >'transformation' acheived? It seems, to me, almost trivial to seek 'healing' >of financial problems... when the Earth Mother is crying... > To solve financial problems from his patients, my Sufi master makes special wifqs that will call certain angels to help the patients' business or jobs. So the patients must also work to find money (from their job or business), not just sitting in their house waiting for an angel to bring bags of gold. The angels are only easing their way to find money. I don't know how (technically) these angels do their job (is it important?), but they will stop helping whenever the patients start to do wicked things (in their business or in their daily life). >>This last method uses power from God's angels for constructive >>purposes, and it is not the same as with voodoo, black magic, >>or witchcraft which use the power from jinns or evil spirits. > >Witchcraft, also known as Wicca, is of the Light. > Please tell me more about this Wicca and these witches you know. God created angels from pure Light. Maybe there is a connection here with your Wicca. Maybe your witches also use help from angels using another way. God knows. In my country all witches ask help from jinns, most of them are evil ones. They make an agreement, the jinns help them and do the witches' orders, but these jinns also ask for payments, and sometimes they ask the life of one member from the family. Terrible, isn't it? Some say that these witches will be the jinns' slaves after their death. Some Moslem scholars in my country also have jinns as their disciples. But they do not make any agreement. These jinns get religion knowledge from the scholars at their own will, and help their teachers in their daily life. (Filling the water tank, clean the rooms, etc.) Sometimes they also protect their teachers from bad persons. But these jinns don't ask for payments from their religious teachers. I think such stories are new for you, aren't they? >>Those interested in knowing more about Sufi Healing, or Sufism >>in general, are encouraged to read these books: > >I'll look for them. Thanks. > You're welcome. Thank you again for the questions. I hope you're satisfied with my answers. If any of my answer is wrong or incorrect it's my own fault, not my Sufi master's. Allah is The All-Hearing The All-Seing. > blesssings! > woodsong > May Allah bless you and give guidance to all of us. Love to all of you! Wassalamu'alaykum, your smiling brother, Michael Roland P.S.: There are beautiful articles about angels at Haqqani Foundation homepage, if you want to know more about them. ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #30 ****************************