From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Mon Jul 22 21:18:18 1996 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #77 tariqas-digest Monday, 22 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 077 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 08:31:37 +0100 Subject: 3 faces One face looked up, saw nothing One face looked down, saw nothing One face looked in, saw everything And then everything is One... Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ From: Thomas McElwain Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:37:39 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: re: Imam Ja'fer ibn Muhammad as-Sadiq Loved Ones, Assalaamu Alaykum, Albert Schweitzer was an organist, Vladimir Nabokov a butterfly collector, our Lord Imam Ja'fer ibn Muhammad as-Sadiq (AS) an alchemist, and John the Baptist a Sufi. There may be some question about the latter. In proof, Matthew 4:1-4. This guy, you see, he thought whatever you read in the Bible, you have to do just that. He read in one of the prophets somewhere about a voice crying in the wilderness. So he dresses up in camel hair, see, and leather, and then he starts eating grasshoppers with honey, see, to make it go down. Then he goes way out there, you know, in the desert somewhere miles and miles from anybody, and starts yelling at the top of his voice, "Hey you, get out of the way, make room for the Lord to come, don't make Him step around you!" Now considering that this guy was into leather and not wool, I guess he wasn't a Sufi. Al-Hamdu Lillaahi. Love and everything normal, Ali Haydar ------------------------------ From: ASHA101@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:09:55 -0400 Subject: Re: THE SOUL'S THREE FACES >>>If this analogy is accurate, then Chaya and Yechidah (as described by Raqib) are actually STATES or levels of being/experience rather than "parts" or "faces" of the soul.<<<< What is the technical definitiion of "face of the soul" ? you mean a face is a "part" of the soul. Well, you can look things as a stage or level of being or as a part the difference is in you question not in the answer. What i mean is you can look at the make up and experience of the soul as either progressive (one thing leads to the next and when you get to the end of it you graduate) or cyclical (the same set of experineces can be expereinced in a series of ways, or by a series of selfs. The way these things are connected is the sam way fall is connected with spring. You can look at it as a cycle of events expereinced on different levels or by different "selfs' or as some call it by different minds or modes of thinking or you can look at it as and apple which it is in the fall, and a seed which it is in the spring and then you can see evolution. Maybe i'm not saying it right ... but i mean that it is both the manner and the object gained which have the same names attached to them and which we call either parts or process as really ther are both. Does that make any sense? This is traditional sufi cosmology which obviously is not that different from the descriptions of the Tibetans and the Kaballists ... that i find quite (intellectually) interesting. Asha ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:22:08 +0100 Subject: Mureed another poem Zippity Do Dah Scooby Dooby Doo I learned to say Huuuuu I'm a happy fool. Kaffea lalla ------------------------------ From: Maqam1@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:54:17 -0400 Subject: Re: al-sheikh again In a message dated 96-07-21 05:30:55 EDT, you write: > I have just been initiated at Amy's >hand, and have spin into new orbits of Haqiqa. Now I know where Kaffea gets >it! > Hey! Stop that! Do you think you are better than a dog, just because >you say more than Huuuuuu? > Love to All (and sundry), > Ali Haydar Now that was a good joke Ali Haydar" SMILE Sh. J-Kenyatta ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:53:19 +0800 Subject: Re: final solution On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Thomas McElwain wrote: >Here is my simple formula to becoming God. Do you really want to enter the >gate of Haqiqa? If the answer is yes, do as follows: >Turn into an electron as a step in the right direction. >Then turn into a sub-electron particle. So far, so go. >Now, whirl, dervish, whirl. >When you are going so fast that you are everywhere at once, then you will be >God. >You will also be on the plane that crashed. > Wrath and mercy, >Ali Haydar. > > Assalamulaikum On second thought, I prefer to eat my rice as it is. I don't want to eat my rice and be my rice at the same time. It confuses both me and the rice. salam maarof ------------------------------ From: Maqam1@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:58:38 -0400 Subject: Re: final solution In a message dated 96-07-21 05:32:41 EDT, you write: >When you are going so fast that you are everywhere at once, then you will be >God. >You will also be on the plane that crashed. > Wrath and mercy, >Ali Haydar. IMHO find a little more compassion, there could someone who lost a friend or family member reading this. Wa-Laikum Salaam Sh. J-Kenyatta ------------------------------ From: Maqam1@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:05:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Mureed another poem In a message dated 96-07-21 13:29:19 EDT, you write: >I learned to say Huuuuu >I'm a happy fool. >Kaffea lalla IMHO you are a HAPPY Servant to the Beloved & Most High. Allahu-ALLAH-Haqqu Sh. Jomo-Kenyatta ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:27:44 -0700 Subject: Re: tao te ching: merest traces Martin Schell wrote: > > I highly recommend the translation of Lao Tzu's famous book > by Man-jen Cheng... > For example, he translates #3 as: > > Not honoring men of worth keeps the people from competing; > Not wanting rare things keeps the people from thievery; > Not paying attention to the desirable keeps the hearts of > the people from disaster. > > That is why the Sage governs himself by > relaxing the mind, > reinforcing the abdomen, > gentling the will, > strengthening the bones. Hi, Martin! Here's how Witter Bynner translated it: 3 It is better not to make merit a matter of reward Lest people conspire and contend, Not to pile up rich belongings Lest they rob, Not to excite by display Lest they covet. A sound leader's aim Is to open people's hearts, Fill their stomachs, Calm their wills, Brace their bones And so to clarify their thoughts and cleanse their needs That no cunning meddler could touch them: Without being forced, without strain or constraint, Good government comes of itself. Peace and love, tanzen ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 05:40:38 +0800 Subject: Re: New Koran Translation On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Michael Moore wrote: >Dear Tariqas, >I thought that you might find this interesting. I myself have been >looking for a more 'readable' translation. (There is absolutely >no reason that a Koran should be translated into King James English >IMHO). >Are there any comments about this new translation either >pro or con? >-Michael- Assalamualaikum Thanks Michael for the post. I still prefer the term Qur'an instead of Koran. I find Qur'an adhere closely to the original Arabic prounciation, and personally it reminds me that the scripture is revealed in Arabic. >> It is very clear, simple and very accurate, for example many >> translations rendered the Arabic word 'Abd' as slave or servant >> while the Mosque corrected the translation to be worshipper i.e. >> Abdullah = worshipper of Allah, since Adam was Abdullah, and >> there were no slaves in his time, not to mention that Islam freed >> the slaves, this an example of about 20% corrections to older >> translations. I'm not sure whether the word "slave" is politically sensitive in America, but here (in Malaysia) if I refer myself as a "slave of Allah" it is considered an honour because the title means I am at equal level as kings and presidents, because all -- kings, peisdents and "a poor man like myself" -- considered "slaves of Allah". There's no one above another ... and all are equal ... but the true "slaves of Allah" are the ones Allah loves best. >> Another example is their translation of the Arabic word >> 'sibghatu Allahi' >> as being 'the baptism of Allah' which we corrected to be >> 'the indelible marking of Allah' I like to add another meaning to this phrase: purification. >> Many translated the name of the first chapter incorrectly >> 'the Opening' rather it is 'the Opener' I'll stick with Al-Fatiha. It is the sura we recite in prayer, and the one, I think, identify all Muslims around the world. I can go to Mongolia and said "Al-Fatiha" and they know what I mean, instead of the Opener or the Opening. [...] >> >> Work was supervised by Professor Dr. Hasan Qaribullah >> the former Dean of Um Durman Islamic University and former >> Edinburgh Doctorate (over 40 years ago) the spiritual leader >> of over 5000 Mosques worldwide. >> >> The Concordace covers over 9,000 words. >> >> The text about to go to print, the concordance and the Koran >> both will be about $15.00 plus S&H. (1500 pages in two books) >> >> We will add your name to the mailing list and forward it >> to Hajj Khalfan. >> >> Once it is ready for shiping you will get an email >> >> Soon we will download a sample of each: >> >> SAMPLES:- >> >> CONCORDANCE: >> >> KORAN: >> >> Thank you for your interest. >> >> Till next time ...Peace >> >> Shaykh Ahmad Darwish >> > > Hajj Khalfan of Koranic Society of America >> > > P.O. Box 731115, Elmhurst, NY 11373-0115 U S A >> > > (718)446-6472 >> > > (718) 779-6532 Salam, Maarof ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:46:17 -0700 Subject: Re: the Sheykh and racial slurring Thomas McElwain wrote: [...] > On the other hand, he > says about me, "I sent my boy to college and he come back ignorant. The > Bible says to train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old > he will not depart from it. Now I'm just a-waitin for him to git old." Gosh, I must know your father, as he and I are of One Mind... Hi, Ali! good to see you in the spirit! Love, harmony, and beauty, silver, red, white, black, brown, yellow, oh, the colors of Our Lord, tanzen P.S. Around and around the fire, singing and dancing: I be tired! ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:54:11 -0700 Subject: Re: dhikr Thomas McElwain wrote: [...] > Psalm 46:10(11), Be still, and know that I am God! > Al-Fatihah. Now this is wisdom leading to knowledge, faith, unity, love. The Way Of Life by Lao Tzu An American Version by Witter Bynner 1 Existence is beyond the power of words To define: Terms may be used But none of them absolute. In the beginning of heaven and earth there were no words, Words came out of the womb of matter; And whether a man dispassionately Sees to the core of life Or passionately Sees the surface, The core and the surface Are essentially the same, Words making them seem different Only to express appearance. If name be needed, wonder names them both: >From wonder into wonder Existence opens. - ------------ May we never forget that in the sunshine of our lives, through the storm and after the rain we IS God, tanzen ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:02:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Imam Ja'fer ibn Muhammad as-Sadiq Thomas McElwain wrote: [...] >"Hey you, > get out of the way, make room for the Lord to come, don't make Him step > around you!" > Now considering that this guy was into leather and not wool, I guess > he wasn't a Sufi. John 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one (conscious, subconscious minds working together) crying in the wilderness (tangled thought-forms), MAKE STRAIGHT (rationalize) THE WAY (cord for tossing thought-form to superconscious) of the Lord (High Self), as said the prophet Isaiah (40:3). The Baptist, a sufi? what do the Mandeans say about this? Love, harmony, and beauty, straight is the way, tanzen ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:12:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Amy Jacquie Weller wrote: > > Amy, my Beloved friend, female dog puts her paw right her and says she loves > the friends of Lalla, and her friends, and Allah is Allah! Say, all the friends of Allah love Amy. Arrows and spears broken and used as fire wood, huts dusted clean, a place prepared for Amy to sleep, fields of daisies and poppies, place to run and explore, butterflies everywhere flit. Sun and moon in their places, all sing the praise of Creator, from subatomic particle to rock people, vegatable, animal, human and angel. Say! tanzen ------------------------------ From: an525@lafn.org (Ivan Ickovits) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:47:07 -0700 Subject: Re: THE SOUL'S THREE FACES Dear friends: Some part of me thinks this is too heady and I should speak from the experiential level to cut through these words. SOmetimes I have had a glimpse of my soul at the Chaya (Life of life) level and at the yehida (union or Tawhid) level. Too Often am I at the Nefesh, not enough at the Ruach and Neshamah. But by becoming aware of these levels and preparing the akasha=accomodation or k'li (vessel), one can perhaps catch a moment of the soul at these levels and build ones facility at this. Raqib - -- <<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>> ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Archive and website Assalamu alaikum. Our archive is once again relatively up to date, at ftp.lysator.liu.se Also, I have updated the List of Sufi-related resources on the Internet to Insh'Allah, make it a bit more useful (the Websites are now alphabetical etc.) The URL is: http://world.std.com/~habib/ Yours, Habib ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:00:17 -0700 Subject: Re: THE SOUL'S THREE FACES ASHA101@aol.com wrote: > > >>>If this analogy is accurate, then Chaya and Yechidah (as described by > Raqib) are actually STATES or levels of being/experience rather than > "parts" or "faces" of the soul.<<<< Yes, as I see it. > What is the technical definitiion of "face of the soul" ? you mean a face > is a "part" of the soul. By "technical" you likely mean "working" definition? Face means covering through which you see the thing, the surface... so three faces would imply that there are three coverings to comprehend... I do believe Hazrat Inayat Khan made a drawing of such but I can't say where to find it presently. So we deal with layers when we deal with soul, as with mind, or body... the triple is everywhere in nature... active, passive, perfectly balanced! but a third force comes along and upsets the apple cart producing "change"... the Christians call this third force "holy ghost"... others call it the flame that sets the candle afire! I believe Naqsbandi Order call it "neturalizing force", i.e., a force that makes positive and negative meaningless. Charles Darwin likely would call it the "evolutionary" factor. Alas, middle self, i.e., conscious mind, rauch, ruh (the will that creates), is the evolutionary self, the one that potentially causes real change, through joining willingly low-self in harmony with High Self... such is the fate of humanity, as I understand the experiment. "When you make the two one... " O Thou, Who art the Maker, Molder, Builder of the universe, send Thy Peace, Thy Stillness, that we may know Thee Fully, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 00:47:22 -0400 Subject: Re: THE SOUL'S THREE FACES In a message dated 96-07-21 19:06:09 EDT, you write: >O Thou, Who art the Maker, Molder, Builder of the universe, send Thy Peace, >Thy >Stillness, that we may know Thee Fully, > >tanzen > > hello Tanzen, Raqib, and all, that's a beauty tanzen, after that earlier gem from Raqib. this ending your own phrasing? something from the Arabic or ancient Chinese, perhaps? have a good month, Jinavamsa ------------------------------ From: Thomas McElwain Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:27:36 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: re: final solution Ya Shaykha Kenyatta, Assalaamu Alaykum, bismillaahi ar-Rahmaani ar-Rahiim! Castigation acknowledged, point well-taken. I tender public apology. I who had a friend on the flight should show more sympathy. Ya Shaykha! May Allah be pleased with your work and reward you abundantly. Ali Haydar Ya Maarof, Assalaamu Alaykum Rahmatullaah! Your rice is in continual Salaat, always raising du'a in supplication to Allah, the One, the Merciful, the Compassionate. And who is compassionate but He? Huuuuuuuuu. Look at your rice, Maarof! Every grain is shining like a diamond. Only You have the power set Yourself apart in illusion. There is no compulsion is religion. Wa-innaho lihubbi lkhayri lashadiid. The human love of rice is violent, even in death. Wa-innaho 'alaa dhaalika lashahiid. Suratul-'Adiyat. Ali Haydar ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:59:26 PST Subject: one moment coyote lingers anxiously pacing her steps how'ling at the dawn ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:49:04 +0800 Subject: re: final solution >Ya Maarof, Assalaamu Alaykum Rahmatullaah! >Your rice is in continual Salaat, always raising du'a in supplication to >Allah, the One, the Merciful, the Compassionate. >And who is compassionate but He? Huuuuuuuuu. >Look at your rice, Maarof! Every grain is shining like a diamond. >Only You have the power set Yourself apart in illusion. >There is no compulsion is religion. >Wa-innaho lihubbi lkhayri lashadiid. >The human love of rice is violent, even in death. >Wa-innaho 'alaa dhaalika lashahiid. Suratul-'Adiyat. > >Ali Haydar the morning warriors charge forth their path is sure striking sparks, racing home with only grains "Lailahailallah" they charged forth leaving dust of this world behind them salam, maarof ------------------------------ From: "Morteza elmolhoda" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:11:28 EET Subject: **Any Khalvati-Jerahi Khangah in LA** Greetings Assalaamu Alaikum Is there any Khalvati-Jerahi gathering or Khngah in LA. I plan to travel to LA from 31.7. to 7.8. to attend the Unity conferenc. During my stay in LA I would like to attend a Khalvati-Jerahi Zikr as well. Any information is highly appreciated. Thank You Morteza Elmolhoda elmolhoda@elo.helsinki.fi ------------------------------ From: Thomas McElwain Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:04:12 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: re: respect Assalaamu Alaykum ya Mu'minuun! O Muslims, do not regard me just because I put my forehead against the stone 34 times a day. Why do you think my salaat is acceptable? Allah is Great, and who can submit to Him, and who can refrain from submitting? Do you respect the bee for laying his forehead in the honeysuckle? Yet I taste something sweeter than that. If I did a thousand rakats a night, I would soon be fat with such meals! I too eat rice, but is it enough? I will stop being a pig or a dog, and become a goat. Slit my throat and write La ilaaha illallaah in the dust with my blood. Wash me for burial. Cut me up, savory and well-cooked on your rice. Then you will see what the flesh tastes like that is made of that nectar, day in and day out, sucked up from the stones of Kerbela. Ali Haydar ------------------------------ From: Maqam1@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:55:31 -0400 Subject: Re: respect In a message dated 96-07-22 08:11:53 EDT, you write: >O Muslims, do not regard me just because I put my forehead against the stone >34 times a day. Why do you think my salaat is acceptable? Allah is Great, >and who can submit to Him, and who can refrain from submitting? Do you >respect the bee for laying his forehead in the honeysuckle? Yet I taste >something sweeter than that. If I did a thousand rakats a night, I would >soon be fat with such meals! Fiahmeen-Allah, My Brother IMHO this was very well put on the path we must enter the doorway of knowledge with respect and if someone feels that respect is just for them and not all creation form the smallest insect to the biggest mammal then the point of being called Khalifah's to Allah has just been heard and spoken but not put into daily practice, then your are only glorifying bad character and ego. Can a person with this type of ego truly worship Allah? Fore to truly worship Ya Rahman, Ya Rahim there has to be a respect, a love, a fear of HIS wrath, and a search for Hakikkah to finally have worn the turban and hijab of the Khalifa-lah. As I always teach my mureeds you should have a love for all and if you haven't reach there yet from with-in heart & mind your next quest is a short rule to live by; If you don't like or love someone human or not you must respect it. (You don't have to like or love a person but you must respect them). Your Friend & Brother Sh. Jomo-Kenyatta Maqam-r-Ruh ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #77 ****************************