From mkoc@cad6.eng.ohio-state.edu Sun Feb 11 ):08:53 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28618; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:52:26 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA21503; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:52:25 -0500 Received: from cad6.eng.ohio-state.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26225; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:47:57 -0500 Received: by cad6.eng.ohio-state.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15090; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:48:53 -0500 From: mkoc@cad6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Koc Muammer) Message-Id: <9602121848.AA15090@cad6.eng.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Subscribe To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:48:53 +22299440 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 41 Status: RO X-Status: subscribe tariqas-approval@world.std.com From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 12 23:22:37 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29340; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:22:52 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA03064; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:28:01 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA03056; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:27:59 -0500 Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28879; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:22:38 -0500 Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA05579; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:22:37 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:22:37 +1100 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: RUMI: The Dog in the Doorway Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: The Dog in the Doorway This is how it is when your animal energies, the _nafs_, dominate your soul: You have a piece of fine linen that you're going to make into a coat to give to a friend, but someone else uses it to make a pair of pants. The linen has no choice in the matter. It must submit. Or, it's like someone breaks into your house and goes to the garden and plants thornbushes. An ugly humiliation falls over the place. Or, you've seen a nomad's dog lying at the tent entrance, with his head on the threshold and his eyes closed. Children pull his tail and touch his face, but he doesn't move. He loves the children's attention and stays humble within it. But if a stranger walks by, he'll spring up ferociously. Now, what if that dog's owner were not able to control it? A poor dervish might appear: the dog storms out. The dervish says, "I take refuge with God when the dog of arrogance attacks," and the owner has to say, "So do I! I'm helpless against this creature even in my own house! Just as you can't come close, I can't go out!" This is how animal energy becomes monstrous and ruins your life's freshness and beauty. Think of taking this dog out to hunt! You'd be the quarry. (From "The Essential Rumi," translations by Coleman Barks with John Moyne, p.73.) From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 13 18:50:50 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15728; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:49:06 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA03166; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:33:38 -0500 Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA03144; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:33:31 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA15706 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:30:36 +0800 Message-Id: <199602130330.LAA15706@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 13-Feb-1996 11:34:27 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Tabriz X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 97BC2031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Tabriz Date: 13 Feb 96 18:50:50 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: I have been asked to find out if anybody knows whether the word TABRIZ has a specific meaning in Arabic, or a special connotation, or relation to a triliteral root. Also, does anybody have any information about the city of Tabriz, did it have any connection with the mazdean system? Please your answers to my email address: Aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Master of the soul Shams-Din of Tabrizi this head of mine is of your palm tree for it was nourished by you RUMI From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 13 18:53:31 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22317; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:00:26 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA03371; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:35:57 -0500 Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA03362; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:35:51 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA09864 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:33:17 +0800 Message-Id: <199602130333.LAA09864@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 13-Feb-1996 11:37:08 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: L.QADR/WIRD/DHIKR X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 99BC2031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: L.QADR/WIRD/DHIKR Date: 13 Feb 96 18:53:31 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: To all those who have contributed their knowledge and thoughts so far on these three topics thanks, many thanks, a thousand thanks Rabia From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 13 07:41:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16148; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 03:02:24 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA01742; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:46:23 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA01727; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:46:19 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13029; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:41:05 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tmFME-0005V1C; Mon, 12 Feb 96 23:41 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 23:41 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Salam Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: SALAM I stood sweat soaked like a herring stuffed in a jar and cradled in your arms in bliss my Lord my breath had been transformed the streets of San Francisco sung songs angels could not hear they beaconed me and with Your Ears I joined the call Lord it was beautiful. Dancing away twelve full stops I left the crowded bus on some street (heading for the beach) I barely recognized the sun kissed each derelict on every corner and God! Lord it was beautiful. On my mad way I stopped at a liqueur store "Give me a pack of Pall Mall Reds" I said "What is the mystery of the Sura of Yusuf" the stranger behind the counter said to me and half in Arabic half in English words arose I have no idea from where somehow I was cradled and You spoke and it was beautiful That Middle Eastern clerk would not let me leave he wouldn't let me pay and tears rolled and we laughed he called his family then twelve hours later I was on my way mad in love so very much gliding upon the taste of peace My Lord knowing full well the world was paradise, with no reason accept that you held me cradled in Your arms and it was beautiful Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 13 21:32:18 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13632; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:54:36 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA29359; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:00:31 -0500 Received: from adeskgate.autodesk.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA29346; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:00:27 -0500 From: lisa.rapp@autodesk.com Received: from autodesk.autodesk.com by adeskgate.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) with ESMTP id OAA03666; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:03:08 -0800 Received: from unix2cc.autodesk.com by autodesk.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) with ESMTP id NAA10964; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:59:14 -0800 Received: from smtpcc.autodesk.com by unix2cc.autodesk.com (8.6.5/4.4BSD) with SMTP id NAA08660; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:37:25 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by smtpcc.autodesk.com id AA824247555; Tue, 13 Feb 96 13:32:18 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 13:32:18 PST Message-Id: <9601138242.AA824247555@smtpcc.autodesk.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: rose & nightengale: thanks Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Thanks so much to all of you who responded to my query on the symbolism of the rose and the nightengale. I printed out your responses and gave them to my friend (the one who wanted the information). She was delighted. Allah's Peace to you, lisa. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 13 19:33:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02321; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:28:09 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA03981; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:28:25 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA03974; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:28:22 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21337; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:15:43 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tmQU2-0005WRC; Tue, 13 Feb 96 11:33 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 11:33 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Mumin Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: MUMIN Ashadu an la ilaha illa llah Asahdu anna Muhammadan Rasul ilah Listen to how the call to prayer cracks at the break in the heart what a gift to be the courage to be the space within that place Not here at all . Just the witnessing the inrtention of an ever present Faith in the twinkling Eye of rejuvenating Certainty To follow the Shariat Allah as much as I have asked has not been chosen for the likes of me, for that, this evaporating pronoun simply has neither discipline nor capacity and little strength of character to speak a deed and act his speech But what is this love allowed to flow hot, fierce , vibrant through this undeserving thwarted being I call myself and catalyze, activate, generate a searing and eternal search to find its Source and become in the becoming all used up and like a lighting rod be struck not twice but thrice Baraka Baraka Baraka! Three years ago my blood was a field filled with cancer cells then each tear dropped cell just vanished; today who is looking at the count Well - last month I did - they said I had luekemia - benign. When I am with a Moslem I say I am a Moslem, when with magicians and their phantasmagoric wills I say I am a consecrated practitioner of magical spells The Sura of The Calf reports about my type, don't think you know its meaning, My name is Hanafi, and the law is quite obscure don't judge the hypocrite too harshly (s)he might reside within your soul the kapher could surprise the saint by walking with the Prophet. Belief is always filled with doubt but faith allows the servant belief and all to disappear; allows the space within the crack to crack, the bell ,the voice, the call, the witnessing and intent of a human heart to but reflect and shine a mighty shinning light, A Name and a secret of the Soul a baptism , and the Will of God through choice to join that sacred space and pulsating sound appearing and disappearing and leaving us in wonder attestting in assurance, in faith and in certainty bearing witness with a stand: Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar Ashhadu an la ilaha illa llah Ashadu an la ilaha illah Lah Ashhadu anna Muhamaddan Rasulu llah Ashhadu anna Muhamaddan Rasulu llah hayya alasala Hayya ala sala Hayya ala falah Hayya ala falah! Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 14 11:25:31 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16901; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:17:13 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA15564; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:32:33 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA15532; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:32:28 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12105; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:26:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:26:31 +0001 (EST) From: arsalaan fay Subject: Bismillaah To: tariqas@facteur.std.com In-Reply-To: <199602130330.LAA15706@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Bismillaahir -Rahmaanir -Rahiim In the Name of Allah The Beneficent the Merciful M Picktall Most Gracious Most Merciful A Yusuf Ali Most Benevolent Ever Merciful Ahmet Ali the Compassionate and Merciful JM Rodwell the Merciful the Compassionate AJ Arberry the Gracious the Dispenser of Grace Muhammad Asad (more versions welcome) Brothers and Sisters Would someone please comment on these differing translations of the holy text for the benefit of us english speakers. Douglas (Arsalaan) Fay From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 14 20:08:50 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02446; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:49:59 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA16869; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:06:55 -0500 Received: from WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA16864; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:06:47 -0500 Received: from granger.colorado.edu (204.228.68.10) by WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF #12158) id <01I17DJ2T2NC935O9Y@WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU>; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:09 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:08:50 -0700 From: Mike Granger Subject: Re: Bismillaah To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960214200850.37a70f74@wizard.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: granger_m@wizard.colorado.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:26 AM 2/14/96 +0001, you wrote: >Bismillaahir -Rahmaanir -Rahiim > >In the Name of Allah The Beneficent the Merciful M Picktall > Most Gracious Most Merciful A Yusuf Ali > Most Benevolent Ever Merciful Ahmet Ali > the Compassionate and Merciful JM Rodwell > the Merciful the Compassionate AJ Arberry > the Gracious the Dispenser of Grace > Muhammad Asad > (more versions welcome) > >Brothers and Sisters > >Would someone please comment on these differing translations of the holy >text for the benefit of us english speakers. > >Douglas (Arsalaan) Fay > Well, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim (Naqshbandi Grandshaykh) translates it as: "The Most Benificent, The Most Munificent" I don't have a dictionary handy, but I believe the general meaning of munificence is closest to what Muhammad Asad translates "Rahim" as; that is, the dispensation of grace or mercy to Mankind. Abdassalam Granger From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 14 21:23:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25062; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:55:06 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA19695; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:28:50 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA19663; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:28:39 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09008; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:22:37 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tmofR-0005UzC; Wed, 14 Feb 96 13:23 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 13:23 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Muyamin Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Muyamin I am watching you breath pretending to extend sustenance to this body, I dance between the gaps. I am watching you bead counted hundreds of times every day sometimes skipping you by two than laughing at the folly of my diligence. I feel the needles foot, agitated beneath my buttocks I am watching you head go up, dyslectic, when you are to strike down upon the anvil What I would do to be a jester in Your court; To be a knight within Your order to be what You created me to be not much but right now very happy Lord to just be me. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 15 18:34:38 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23506; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:56:16 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA19552; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:17:03 -0500 Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA19547; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:16:57 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA16800 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:14:24 +0800 Message-Id: <199602150314.LAA16800@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 15-Feb-1996 11:18:58 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Bismillah ar Rahman ar Rahim X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: C45C2331816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Bismillah ar Rahman ar Rahim Date: 15 Feb 96 18:34:38 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Arsalaan and abdassalam write: >In the Name of Allah The Beneficent the Merciful M Picktall > Most Gracious Most Merciful A Yusuf Ali > Most Benevolent Ever Merciful Ahmet Ali > the Compassionate and Merciful JM Rodwell > the Merciful the Compassionate AJ Arberry > the Gracious the Dispenser of Grace > Muhammad Asad > (more versions welcome) >Would someone please comment on these differing translations of the holy >text for the benefit of us english speakers. Well, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim (Naqshbandi Grandshaykh) translates it as: "The Most Benificent, The Most Munificent" I don't have a dictionary handy, but I believe the general meaning of munificence is closest to what Muhammad Asad translates "Rahim" as; that is, the dispensation of grace or mercy to Mankind. +++++++++++++++++++ I believe that there is a most beautiful exposition of the essence of these two names in the book The Beautiful Names , I have lent my copy and cannot remember the full details, somebody may recollect them,or i will look for them. Personally, though as a poet i like the sound of the term< mercy> very much ( all labials are sound of the heart) I feel that the etymology of the word (from the Latin, once disclosed, may lead to some negative connotation (it is the same root as in the English word mercenary) involves the idea of a token, a price, and is also connected with the word for "goods"(as in "merchandise". because of all these associations I am not sure the rendition really reflects the reality hidden in the Arabic term. On the other hand Compassion is a very good rendition, it has a shared meaning, involves participation and union (Cum pathos, to suffer together, empathy) It is also a word which contains the connotations of , not only as empathy, but also as love,< ishq> < agape. and sacrifice ( the 'sacrifice' of our self. to make sacred and holy) The term also resonates well with me because of my Buddhist studies ( the doctrine of compassion and the sharing of Metta, love, being for me two of the highest achievements of Buddhism) Somewhere i read that the Arabic root < Rahm> is connected with the feminine word for 'womb' ( a feminine God?!), this inspires me to offer a tentative different rendition: Rahman, the loving womb of Grace from whom we all come Rahim, the loving womb of Compassion to whom we all return This question of translations is very interesting and stimulating, thanks for raising it, Arsalan and I am looking forward to hear a lot more more about it. Incidentally, who is Mohammed Asad? Ramadhan karim to all, R From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 15 18:51:51 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29507; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:10:17 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA21476; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:35:00 -0500 Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA21451; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:34:47 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA16572 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:32:15 +0800 Message-Id: <199602150332.LAA16572@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 15-Feb-1996 11:36:24 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Kalam X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 98602331816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Kalam Date: 15 Feb 96 18:51:51 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Wonderful poems, brother Jabriel, thanks for sharing your heart with us all. This is a response to both you and Maharaj: KALAM (Song of Maharaj, Jabriel and R.) ALLAHU, what you do with our simple words touches us deeply: using the touchstone of poetry You turn our lead into flowing gold uncreated letters from the calligraphy of Allah Most High descend into being on the blank pages of receiving hearts. ALLAHUUUUUUUU, Your sound riverberates in waves of light through the tunnel of backbones your name carries our souls at night where is only You all else disappears even the hearing and all is left to hold onto is our holding... RAHMAN, have mercy upon the drinking cup of our hearts, grind therein the sands of ignorance, melt our minds and souls stir our deepest being into a supple marrow pulp, shatter, my Lord, the cup of illusion, this insufferable separation with he powerful Shake of your remembrance, and heal us, oh Lord, with the liqueur of certainty. RAHIM, sip us with your drinking lips dripping with the honey of Love, Bounty shines between aspiration and inspiration; between the out -breath of LA and the in-breath of TLLAH Beneficience unveils her lovely face and the lover forgets that it is he that loves. QUDDUS, direct our dense feet upon a path of purity, lift them into wings to fly anywhere knowing full well that everywhere is the right direction Forgetting You is spinning another yarn of separation between us, as if Your Remembrance did not already annhilate the space between You and me! I, the forgetful, I am busy creating space that does not exist, You, the Remembrance, You are busy dissolving that space into this infinity: a time-consuming plot which turns us all into Eternity! KALIM, dissolve the tarnish of ignorance and forgetfulness, wash away these words into the seawater of your Ocean of Love so that the tidal wave of Your merciful breath may carry the kelp of our souls into the deep gorge of Your azure-green abyss. SALAM! From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 15 05:21:59 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15747; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:57:20 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA02907; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:20:27 -0500 Received: from fastmail.worldweb.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA02892; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:20:23 -0500 Received: from dns.worldweb.net (dns.worldweb.net [204.117.218.2]) by fastmail.worldweb.net (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id AAA13980 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from JIM ([204.117.218.111]) by dns.worldweb.net with SMTP; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 1:41:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960215052159.0030d578@worldweb.net> X-Sender: jmccaig@worldweb.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:21:59 -0500 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com, tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au From: James McCaig Subject: Re: Kalam Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: At 06:51 PM 2/15/96 GMT, aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au wrote: >Wonderful poems, brother Jabriel, thanks for sharing your heart with us all. >This is a response to both you and Maharaj: Dear Rabia and Sisters and Brothers, Please keep these jewels flowing Rabia. Between your lines one sees the depth and beauty of wisdom and the brilliance and polish of talent into art. Yours is the poetry of the dancing soul, set free. FREEDOM The force of freedom, with scope unencumbered creates attraction with energies unnumbered Without pressure of time, nor with schedule burdened nature spiels out her dream, the outcome is certain Wisps of thought and fancy condense and amass into pulsars of hope and will, unable to pass the black hole of love, beckoning insistently .. "Bind yourself to me .... become truly free" Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 15 06:30:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04067; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 02:01:04 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA10822; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:36:13 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA10817; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:36:10 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26700; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:31:10 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tmxDP-0005YPC; Wed, 14 Feb 96 22:30 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 22:30 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Aziz Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: AZIZ Detachment is the sister of independence they say both make the narrow road called straight a little wider the gap in between these thoughts is also something like that road the gap never strays its like a bank left unprotected who would steal nothing, and who would protect empty space can the abyss ever be conquered? can there be fear where there is no God, But God and nothing plus Victory? Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 15 16:29:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13344; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:05:48 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA03308; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:34:54 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA03288; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:34:48 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19031; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:30:01 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tn6ZB-0005ZIC; Thu, 15 Feb 96 08:29 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 08:29 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Jabar Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Jabbrar Fragments always incomplete find what they lost after being shattered by the mind When I forgot You through my blindness Lord I found instead an ache ,torn flesh and a bleeding wound had seized the presence with something I held on to some image of despair calling me to bow to worship and obey Fragments always seem harsh jagged they cut at the quick or the feet of my foundation the foundation of my imagination causing some reaction which leaves me busy and important about the business of this world Who would judge this fragment if it knew it to be whole who would judge themselves if they saw the miracle that a mother knows : suckling a child Fragments are just icons bits, beggars seem to cling to from Abraham's old hammer, fragments are just pieces which forgot that they were whole Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 15 16:29:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28269; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:30:33 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA03313; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:34:55 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA03294; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:34:50 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19064; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:30:05 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tn6Z7-0005ZGC; Thu, 15 Feb 96 08:29 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 08:29 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Jabar Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Jabbrar Fragments always incomplete find what they lost after being shattered by the mind When I forgot You through my blindness Lord I found instead an ache ,torn flesh and a bleeding wound had seized the presence with something I held on to some image of despair calling me to bow to worship and obey Fragments always seem harsh jagged they cut at the quick or the feet of my foundation the foundation of my imagination causing some reaction which leaves me busy and important about the business of this world Who would judge this fragment if it knew it to be whole who would judge themselves if they saw the miracle that a mother knows : suckling a child Fragments are just icons bits, beggars seem to cling to from Abraham's old hammer, fragments are just pieces which forgot that they were whole Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 15 20:21:41 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09474; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:10:09 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA10850; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:18:07 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA10815; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:17:56 -0500 Received: from asb16 (sls6.asb.com [165.254.128.16]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA08087 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:21:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:21:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199602152021.PAA08087@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Re: Bismillaah X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Bismillaahir -Rahmaanir -Rahiim > >In the Name of Allah The Beneficent the Merciful M Picktall > Most Gracious Most Merciful A Yusuf Ali > Most Benevolent Ever Merciful Ahmet Ali > the Compassionate and Merciful JM Rodwell > the Merciful the Compassionate AJ Arberry Arberry has: In the Name of God > the Gracious the Dispenser of Grace > Muhammad Asad > (more versions welcome) What is reported from the shaykh of my shaykh is: "In the Name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the All-Beneficent, the Most- Munificent." >Brothers and Sisters > >Would someone please comment on these differing translations of the holy >text for the benefit of us english speakers. One comment: "Compassionate" is inappropriate to my sense, because etymologically it connotes togetherness (com-) in suffering/undergoing s.th. (passion), from the Latin deponent patior, which is an impossibility for God, but who knows that better than Arberry? Still... >Douglas (Arsalaan) Fay > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 16:33:37 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09255; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:44:17 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA21549; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:16:20 -0500 Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA21518; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:16:12 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA16436 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:13:40 +0800 Message-Id: <199602160113.JAA16436@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 16-Feb-1996 9:18:13 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Ostrakoi X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 1B912431816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Ostrakoi Date: 16 Feb 96 16:33:37 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: OSTRAKOI We are but fragments of unreality: our name scratched on a black pebble tells of our exile from the wholeness we once were. The jar of the cosmos which contained all possibilities has been shattered outgrown from within by the Spirit of growth: manifestation comes to exist in ever-widening waves. Such conflagration to allow each sherd to scatter and seed a new world! we are but fragment of Reality longing for the mending into a new holiness... So, Cupbearer come, do come i pray, come to fill our little jars pour within thy liquid amber, flood our minds, soak our souls with thy inebriating elixir, quench our ineffable thirst, drench our heart that we may claim Reality again as ou birthright of Light. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 02:55:25 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26892; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:26:00 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA08672; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:50:44 -0500 Received: from wolfe.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA08656; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:50:41 -0500 Received: from [204.157.102.75] (sea-ts5-p41.wolfenet.com [204.157.102.75]) by wolfe.net (8.7.3/8.7) with SMTP id TAA21984 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:51:02 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: gws@gonzo.wolfe.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:55:25 -0700 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: gws@wolfe.net (George Steffen) Subject: Re: Lets get pragmatic (fwd) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:00:50 -0800 >To: tariqas@europe.std.com, msa-ec@europe.std.com >From: olh@hyperback.com (Bob Olhsson) >Subject: Re: Lets get pragmatic > Assalam Aleikum I've been meaning to say hi to you for some time. I read this post and was struck by a fellow spirit. I was raised a Presbyterian, had a decent minister (though not inspired) and just couldn't stand the hypocracy and the lack of a spiritual core in my time. But, I'm a little confused by the term "cultural loss." I don't understand what it means vis-a-vis individual loss of consciousness. Could you explain it to me (see asterisks below)? Thanks, Salaams, Habib N. >It is important to differentiate between cultural losses and an >individual's loss of consciousness of their relationship with Allah. >Cultural loss is a common response that is then followed by a seeking of >culture. I had little interest in my father's Swedish culture but now at >age 50 I am fascinated by it and actively seek more knowledge about Sweden. > >My early experience being raised a Christian (Swedish Lutheran) was a very >positive one with an inspired teacher. What we were taught, in retrospect, >was clearly Islam. Our minister was honest about his problems with the >Trinity concept but saw it as a useful tool for teaching about our >relationship with God.> >Having had such an inspired teacher, his very uninspired "church social >director" style replacement left me out in the cold. Islam clearly embodied >his natural approach to religion and incorporates all that he taught me of >Christianity and more. >The cultural diversity we have in the U.S. demands that *** religion be taught >and practiced from the core of the individual.*** Each step I have taken into >Islam has been at the same time ten steps into the core of the Christianity >I was first taught. Once the basics are addressed, I think the rest can and >will fall in place. > >Bob > >Bob Olhsson Audio |O tongue, thou art a treasure without end. And, >Box 555,Novato CA 94948 |O tongue, thou art also a disease without remedy. >415.457.2620 | >415.456.1496 FAX | == Jelal'uddin Rumi == From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 04:22:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08583; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:50:47 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA13292; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:27:42 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA13281; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:27:39 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25721; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:22:48 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tnHgl-0005XNC; Thu, 15 Feb 96 20:22 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 20:22 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Mutakabir Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: MUTAKABBIR When he dances up a hill hauling that stone three times his own weight and dry as sand is hot over obstacles paying no homage to unbending and singular intent the action of majesty bestowed upon that creature leaves me feeling something humble, left only with speech, vague descriptions and eyes to touch a majestic height beyond my grasp towering and lofty as fireflies winking like stars on the peak of the anthill. When I see what I see in the eyes of an infant I turn to its mother who sees further then I am able I think about dreaming, what potential exists in that spawn making small all the grandeur of my dreams leaves me feeling something humble left only with an image, vague illusions and beliefs to touch the majesty beyond that shroud and than glory: Ya Batin Ya Zahir when I tremble as the vanishing and the call of the last day rises at the dawn's first ray and I inhale every broken vow we've ever bowed to worshipped in our own blind way holding onto the images as real as reality like a veil with no face with angels falling from grace to grace it leaves me humble with the truth that burns my face as raw as sand and the scratching ant and its gapping hole leaving nothing but the feeling or desire to touch the touch of the countenance behind that ancient over used and tattered mask and say "Oh Lord Hear my soul cry for the majesty from whence it came and Hear my soul call to its groom upon the wedding day". Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 20:45:40 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09244; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:53:00 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA21411; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:28:21 -0500 Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA21392; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:28:16 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA12886 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:25:38 +0800 Message-Id: <199602160525.NAA12886@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 16-Feb-1996 13:30:23 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: lion and palm X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: B7CC2431816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: lion and palm Date: 16 Feb 96 20:45:40 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear tariqas friends, I would like to receive your comments on the, significance and correspondences, (quotations welcome )regarding the two symbols of the lion and the palm tree within the sufic tradition. Can anybody illuminate me on this From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 15:50:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24233; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:47:26 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA00282; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:59:03 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA00244; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:58:58 -0500 Received: from dns1.uga.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18980; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:50:04 -0500 Received: from cacimbo.ggy.uga.edu (cacimbo.ggy.uga.edu [128.192.40.157]) by dns1.uga.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA10914 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:50:02 -0500 Received: from cacimbo (cacimbo [128.192.40.157]) by cacimbo.ggy.uga.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA17287 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:50:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: "B. Taylor" X-Sender: btaylor@cacimbo To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Thank you and travels Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A Dear Tariqas: Assalaam aleikum. Thank you to everyone who has helped me with planning my travels and read my various stumblings, confusions, and expressions that I have made on this list. You are all dear to my heart. All of the recent poetry has been especially Beautiful. I will begin my journey, insh'Allah, on March 13 and fly from Atlanta to London. From London, I will go, insh'Allah, by bus to Istanbul through France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria. From Istanbul, insh'Allah, I will go to Ankara, Ephesus, Hacibektas, and ending in Konya. Other suggestions are always welcome. Thank you again. love, brad PS - I would love to send postcards to interested people. Just email your snail mail address and I'll try to fill your mailbox periodically for the next few months. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 18:23:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27340; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:14:09 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA12957; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:29:47 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA12944; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:29:44 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26217; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:23:47 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tnUoR-000FboC; Fri, 16 Feb 96 10:23 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 10:23 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: KHALIQ 1 The Ipeisity is the Ipesity what else is there to say from non-being and through an invisible filter this accident I call myself, resolved itself from the start. Who else would call me into being? and so as they say May the secret of your soul and my name be forever kept; and now all that's left is, in sha Allah : an unbending intent, the love of baptism the unfurling of the word combined so may it be that my will surrenders so may it be that joining, the Divine Will prevails and regardless, and always, and forever: the becoming. 2 Breath gently lifts its iridescent wings ; an exhale blows across the sacred water ; and an old cabalist named Enoch, sees the past, the future, Jacob's vision and surrenders useless magic bends his knees, prays, bows and prays again. 3 A mystic's scales are shed becoming a lightning lit ladder. a snake that's a forsaken angel transforms into being intertwined around a tree and sublime beyond the perception of the eye of certainty he devours its tail, reaching for the shore known to some as Keter and to other's by the holy name : Ahad! and the Shayke's Mureeds like lapis lusuli, emeralds, rubies and chunks of coal are the jewels set deep within the crown across the abyss and on the raft the voyage leads to a far and unimaginable shore irreverent to even think of or if ever reached as forbidden as the fruit and guarded as the garden with the flowers which are you and are me my brothers my sisters each having endured each having long been endorsed for proclivity : the calling of one's self the Light the Truth the Way 4 Only eternity knows these few and basic secrets how an angel flies what deeds and will Will lift its face what tragedies it must bear as it falls from grace to grace in an attempt to just return, remember, the perfect love it knows, and the pulsating on and off and on and off again and appearing again and than again and than again again Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 18:47:14 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06610; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:28:45 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA15288; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:46:01 -0500 Received: from major.cei.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA15279; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:45:58 -0500 Received: from [204.180.125.107] (max1-13.cei.net [204.180.125.76]) by major.cei.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA23924 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:43:43 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:47:14 -0600 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: kevjones@cei.net (Kevin Jones) Subject: Re: Thank you and travels Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >I will go to Ankara, Ephesus, Hacibektas, and ending in Konya. >Other suggestions are always welcome. Brad: Should you make it to the southern fishing village of Kas ("Kosh" in phonetic e-mail ASCII), please do me the greatest favor and stop by the Anatolian Art Gallery (Uzun Carsi No. 9) just off the small, sea-side square. (10 years ago the town was just being discovered by German tourists; it is likely swamped today.) Anyway, ask for brothers Baran or Birol (I left behind an Italian/Engish dictionary, trying to lighten my load before Syria). See if they remember a big Texas boy named KJ (there was some difficuty in pronouncing the 'v' in Kevin, I think) who lived there for a month or two. You might also inquire if a government attorney by the name of Betul still works in the district. She is a lovely woman. There was one American in permanent residence; I don't remember her name (she was an art dealer or teacher from Wash. state, I believe) but her husband's name was Olga (easy to remember)--he's a quite outgoing fella. There are too many others to mention in this note, but should any wish to drop a line: Kevin Jones 1605 Pickering Little Rock, AR 72211 USA The most rudimentary Turkish is greatly appreciated by the locals; if you're not already familiar with it, I STRONGLY suggest you find a phrase book--less for communication than for good-will. And good-will, as should be, is much more than its own reward. I'd also recommend a side trip to Damascus (though currency exchance requirements my make this financially prohibitive) if you have the chance and any interest in early Christian monuments. Peace (and a most unselfish envy). From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 21:04:18 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09213; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:45:55 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA02600; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:00:03 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA02570; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:59:58 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls16.asb.com [165.254.128.26]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA21685 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:04:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:04:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199602162104.QAA21685@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Re: lion and palm X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Dear tariqas friends, >I would like to receive your comments on the, significance and correspondences, >(quotations welcome )regarding the two symbols of the lion and the palm tree >within the sufic tradition. >Can anybody illuminate me on this The lion has many names in Persian and Arabic, among them: "H.aydar" which was the name given to our Master `Ali at birth, the cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet (s). Perhaps his mother Fatima named him thus after her own father Asad, as "asad" also means lion. The nickname of `Ali was "Asadullah", God's lion, a most appropriate attribute because `Ali had the strength of seven men and no-one but he could wield his two-bladed sword. He was most beloved of God and of the Prophet (s). He is the fountainhead of all sufi orders except the Naqshbandiyya, which comes through Abu Bakr al-Siddiq. May God be pleased with them. Another name for lion in Arabic is "H.arith" which was the name of the great Sufi master al-Muhasibi (he who takes account of himself), whose father was also named Asad. He gave astounding and beautiful explanations of the hadith of the Prophet (s): "Actions are only according to their intentions." Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal the founder of the Hanbali school and a strict defender of the Sunna (way of the Prophet) reportedly disapproved of him until he heard him speak in person, whereupon he began crying until he fainted. When he regained consciousness, Ahmad said: "Never in my life have I heard such speech about the Science of Realities (`ilm al-haqa'iq). The great hadith master and historian al-Khatib al-Baghdadi relates this incident in his "Tarikh Baghdad" 8:214. Here is a brief bibliography of Muhasibi's extant works: - Kitab al-ri`aya li huquq Allah [Book of Observance of the Rights of God], ed. and trans. Margaret Smith in her book: _An Early Mystic of Baghdad: A Study of the Life and Teaching of Harith b. Asad al-Muhasibi._ London, 1935. - Kitab al-tawahhum [Book of Imagination], French trans. Andre' Roman as _Une vision humaine des fins derni`eres: le Kitab al-tawahhum d'al- Harith al-Muhasibi_, Paris, 1978. Ar. Ed. By Arthur J. Arberry (Cairo, 1937). - Kitab al-khalwa [Book of Seclusion], ed. Abdo Khalifa, in _al-Mashriq_ 49 (1955): 43-49. - Risalat al-mustarshidin [Treatise For Those Who Ask For Guidance], edited with extensive annotations by `Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghuddah (Halab, Syria: Maktab al-Matbu`at al-Islamiyyah), 8th edition, 1416/1995. Orig. Ed. 1384/1969 ? - Kitab al-ri`aya li-huquq Allah [Book of the Observance of the Rights of God]: a translation with introduction and notes by Schoonover, Kermit A., Ph.D. dissertation, Harvard University, 1948. - Kitab fahm al-Qur'an [Book of the Understanding of Qur'an], ed. Husayn al-Quwatli. Beirut, 1391/1971. - Kitab mahiyyat al-`aql wa ma`nahu wa ikhtilaf al-nas fihi [Book of the Nature and Meaning of the Mind and the Differences Among People Concerning It], ed. with above. - al-masa'il fi a`mal al-qulub wa al-jawarih wa al-`aql [The Questions Concerning the Works of the Hearts, the Limbs, and the Mind], ed. `Abd al-Qadir Ahmad `Ata (Cairo, 1969). - al-wasaya wa al-nasa'ih al-diniyya wa al-nafahat al-qudsiyya li naf`i jami` al-bariyya [The Spiritual Legacies and Counsels and the Sanctified Gifts For The Benefit of All Creatures], ed. `Abd al-Qadir Ahmad `Ata (Cairo, 1384/1964). - Kitab al-`azama [The Book of Magnificence] (unpublished ms.), Carullah 1101, folios 25a-28a. - Excerpts in Ghazali's Ihya, Makki's Qut al-qulub, Qushayri's Risalat, Ibn Qudama's Kitab al-tawwabin, Nawawi's Sharh matn al-arba`in, his Bustan al-`arifin, his Kitab al-adhkar, and many others. - Translated excerpts in Louis Massignon, _Essai sur les origines du lexique technique de la mystique musulmane._ Paris, 1954. About the palm-tree, the 15th-century Sufi shaykh `Abd al-Rahman al-Sufuri collected numerous beautiful sayings in his book "Nuzhat al-majalis" (The Pleasant Gatherings). I posted them on this net before, but here they are again: God compared the Phrase of Declaring Oneness (There is but One God) to the date palm when He said: "A goodly tree, its root set firm, its branches reaching into heaven, giving its fruit at every season by permission of its Lord" (14:24-25). The date palm does not grow in every land; similarly this phrase does not grow in every heart. The date palm is the tallest fruit tree: similarly the root of this phrase is in the heart and the top of its branches are under the Throne. The value of the fruit does not diminish because of the pit: similarly the value of the believer does not diminish despite the disobedience lodged between himself and God the Exalted. The bottom of the date palm is thorns while its top is moist dates; similarly the initial stages of this phrase are duties: whoever fulfills them reaches the fruit which is to behold God the Exalted. The king of the Byzantines wrote to our Master `Umar ibn al-Khattab - may God be well pleased with him: "O Commander of the Faithful, God's Messenger has related to me that you have a certain tree whose fruit grows like the ears of donkeys, then splits into clusters more beautiful than pearls, then turns green so that it resembles emerald, then reddens and yellows like fragments of gold and ruby, and when it ripens it is more delicious than the soft honey-cake (faludhaj), and when it dries it is nourishment for the dwellers and provision for the travellers. If he spoke the truth, then verily this is a tree from Paradise!" `Umar ibn al-Khattab wrote back: "Yes, he spoke the truth, and this is also the tree under which Jesus was born (cf. 19:23) and therefore it never invokes another god together with God." Al-Razi said that there is a relation and a resemblance between the palm tree on the one hand and animals and human beings on the other which does not exist between the latter and the other types of trees; this is why the Prophet (s) said: "Honor your stepmother the palm tree for she was created from the remainder of Adam's clay." This is because when Adam fell to earth his hair grew long and his body became soiled, whereupon Gabriel came with scissors, cut his hair and nails, removed the dirt from his body, and buried everything under the ground. Then Adam slept and when he woke up he saw that God had created the palm tree by his side: its body -- that is its trunk -- was from his body, its fiber or luffa was from his hair, and its stalks were from his nails. It drinks from the top down while other trees drink from the bottom up. Our Master `Ali said -- may God be well pleased with him: "The first tree that stood on the face of the earth is the palm-tree." God the Exalted mentioned it in the Qur'an : "Tall date-palms with shoots of fruit stalks, piled one over another" (50:10).* *[Cf. 6:99, 6:141, 18:32, 19:23, 19:25, 20:71, 26:148, 54:20, 55:11, 55:68, 69:7, 80:29.] The Prophet (s) used to tell people to eat balah or green dates together with tamr or dried ripe dates** for when the sons of Adam eat them shaytan is angry and says: "The sons of Adam are eating the new together with the old!" This is because green dates are cold and dry while dried ripe ones are hot and moist, and each possesses benefits that complement those of the other. The Prophet (s) would join together cucumbers, rutab or fresh ripe dates, sha`ir or barley bread, and tamr or dry ripe dates, as well as mix cold water with honey and drink it on an empty stomach. All this makes for lasting good health, because good health endures when (foods of) hot and cold (elements) are joined. Physicians forbid eating fish together with eggs, or fish together with yogurt, and they forbid drinking honey with cold water after eating fish or before sleep, also drinking water after sexual intercourse, and entering the bath after drinking milk. Al-Samarqandi said in "al-Bustan": "Whoever enters the bath on a full stomach and becomes afflicted with colic has no-one to blame but himself." **[The various Arabic names of the date corresponding to its different stages are: tal`, khalal, balah, busr, rutab, and tamr or suyyab.] The Prophet (s) said: "Let the one who fasts break his fast with rutab or fresh ripe dates," for fasting weakens the stomach and the liver, and sugar reaches the liver fastest because it likes sugar and accepts it, especially rutab. The Prophet (s) said: "When the (time of) rutab comes, wish me well, O `A'isha." Tamr or dry ripe dates are the best food in any land. The pith of the palm (jummar) confines the stomach and helps against jaundice and fever. Adding to its benefit is the consumption of ginger preserve following it. This will be addressed later insha Allah. Finally, there is nothing better than rutab for the menstruating woman, and nothing better than honey for the sick. The Prophet (s) said: "A house in which dates are kept is blessed." And he said the same about honey. Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 16 22:30:59 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28881; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:21:17 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA14724; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:39:37 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA14711; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:39:34 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01770; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:26:41 -0500 Received: from asb35 (sls25.asb.com [165.254.128.35]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23891; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:30:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:30:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199602162230.RAA23891@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: msa-ec@world.std.com, tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: [4] Laylat al-qadr (The Night of Decree) Cc: soc-religion-islam@telerama.lm.com X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [4] ON LAYLAT AL-QADR (The Night of God's Decree in the last ten days of the month of Ramadan) from NUZHAT AL-MAJALIS Seven Benefits of the Night of the Decree (continued) ----------------------------------------------------- 4. From `Ali -- may God be well pleased with him: "He who recites "We revealed it on the Night of the Decree" (sura 97) seven times after the night-prayer (`isha), God relieves him from every affliction and seventy thousand angels make intercession for him in Paradise, and he who recites it three times on Friday before the prayer, God will record for him as many good deeds as there were people who prayed on that day." We have already mentioned the merit of reciting it after performing ablution. Whoever recites it on behalf of a pregnant woman, God will make birth-giving easy for her. Whoever recites it after every obligatory prayer, God will grant him a light in his grave, a light at the Weighing-Scale, and a light at the Bridge Over the Fire. 5. The author (al-Sufuri) said -- may God have mercy on him: "I saw it written with my father's hand from Shaykh Abu al-Hasan (al-Shadhili?): "Since I reached puberty I never missed seeing Laylat al-Qadr. If the first day of ramadan is a Sunday, it falls on the 29th; if it is a Monday, it falls on the 21st; if it is a Tuesday, it falls on the 27th; if it is a Wednesday, it falls on the 29th like Sunday; if it is a Thursday, it falls on the 25th; if it is a Friday, it falls on the 27th like Tuesday; if it is a Saturday, it falls on the 23rd, and God knows best." 6. If one swears an oath (nadhara) that he will offer supererogatory prayers on the Night of the Decree, he is obligated to offer them on every single night of the last ten nights of Ramadan. He will not fulfill his oath until he does. Al-Mawardi said that Al-Rawyani said -- and it is fair and correct: "If one says to his wife: "You are divorced on the Night of the Decree," divorce takes effect after the last ten days of Ramadan have elapsed." 7. From Ibn `Umar -- may God be well pleased with him: "The Prophet (s) said: "Whoever fasts Ramadan and then follows it up by fasting six more days in the month of Shawwal, he has come out from his sins as on the day in which his mother gave birth to him."" Tabarani narrated it. Muslim's narration has: "It will count for him as a perpetual fast." Shafi`i's opinion is that it is preferable that the supererogatory six-day fast be consecutive and directly follow the month of Ramadan (after the day of `Eid), unlike Malik's and Abu Hanifa's. It is related from Malik that he said: "This is completely disliked." And God knows best. Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 00:15:16 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16167; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:49:36 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA25956; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:18:18 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA25935; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:18:14 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24461; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:10:46 -0500 Received: from sls32.asb.com (sls32.asb.com [165.254.128.112]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26798; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:15:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:15:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199602170015.TAA26798@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: msa-ec@world.std.com, tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Need ride in Frankfurt, Germany Cc: soc-religion-islam@telerama.lm.com X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: as-salamu alaykum, Shaykh `Abd al-Rahman Mufti (al-hafiz) from Pakistan, travelling from New York to Frankfurt after `Eid insha Allah, needs a car ride from the airport in Frankfurt to the train station. He will be going to Bochum to visit his son. He needs someone that speaks English, Arabic, or Urdu. If you can give him a ride, please email me at fhaddad@unix.asb.com for details. May Allah reward you. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 00:24:01 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20178; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:00:11 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA26972; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:26:52 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA26954; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:26:47 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02930; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:24:02 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA25472 for tariqas@world.std.com; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:24:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:24:01 -0500 Message-Id: <960216192400_424519924@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Cc: Jinavamsa@aol.com Subject: Persian Sufi poetry Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: hello tariqas, I found a reference in a book by Inayat Khan to a term used, he said, by Persian poets, that he translated as House of Mirrors (= the body). aina Khama is the way he rendered this. Does anyone know where this was used, by which poets, in which poems? thank you, Jinavamsa From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 06:30:51 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12988; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:57:47 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA02984; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:30:56 -0500 Received: from relay6.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA02979; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:30:53 -0500 From: ASHA101@aol.com Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadgs08751; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA11370 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:30:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:30:51 -0500 Message-Id: <960217013050_146469173@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Persian Sufi poetry Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Jinavasma There is a term kham which means raw or uncooked and in sui poetic language it means the uninitiated. Asha From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 08:35:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26486; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:51:23 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA08858; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:32:16 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA08849; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:32:14 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tni7V-000FajC; Sat, 17 Feb 96 00:35 PST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 00:35 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: Thank you and travels Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: My Dearest Brad, In sha Allah your journey will be no less than life altering. I would quite enjoy hearing your tears and laughter. The Museum in Konya and the town of Ephasis I am certain you will find especially moving. My address is as follows: Jabriel Hanafi 806# 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 if you have the inclination please say and extra El Fatia for my father and myself when you are at the tomb of Hz Mevelvi Rumi and when ever else you care to or have the inclination to. My fondest wishes you will be in my prayers as well.. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 20:25:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14793; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:05:34 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA15947; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:31:05 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA15936; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:31:02 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00737; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:25:30 -0500 Received: from Stopper.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tntBw-000FawC; Sat, 17 Feb 96 12:25 PST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 12:25 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Bari Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: BARI The divine inheritance extended by my Beloved requires me to see myself as a different kind of beneficiary one perhaps not there at all! When the blade of grass wields its tender and soft power through the concrete to greet the sun When Rumi tossed the academy into the well and his crystal heart cracked like a honey jar spilling everywhere slipping toward his Beloved and Shams of Tabris When in proportion You separate the ore from the gold and make all things named and unnamed sealed and singing their love their song in measured harmony and the vegetables in the marketplace lift up their faces like a chorus intoning Your praises before being chosen for this evenings meal as even they would celebrate annihilation the ache and the longing of all of history surrenders to the joining of a paradise not lost not found just sought beyond the experience of similitude bankrupt icons and psudo co-creations this than is the Divine Inheritance it is You, who needs nothing, not even space and yet would have space itself colapse in upon itself if You did not exist. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 21:11:24 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18342; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:16:30 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA19497; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:16:29 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16750; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:11:25 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA19035; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:11:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:11:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199602172111.QAA19035@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Non-member submission from [ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism)] Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Sat Feb 17 16:11:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA19027; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:11:20 -0500 Received: from moon.nbn.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15712; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:07:58 -0500 Received: from [199.4.64.32] (srf-36.nbn.com [199.4.64.36]) by moon.nbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08710 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:07:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:07:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ias@mail.nbn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora 2.1 To: tariqas@world.std.com From: ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism) Subject: Symposium Registration via e-mail From: Sufism Symposium: we have received several requests from a few who do not want to miss the discount deadline and would like to pre-register for the Sufism Symposium via e-mail. please post a note so we make reservation via e-mail for you and then, please fill in the following form and mail to our office at: Sufism, 25 Mitchell Blvd., Suite # 2, San Rafael, Ca 94903 to confirm your registration for the Sympsoium, we will send you a confirmation note as soon as we receive your registration form (below). hope to see you at the Symposium. many thanks. Name_________________________________________ phone:___________________________ Address_____________________________________ ____________________________________________ please mark: (pre-registration/send before March 1) ______Friday ($10.00)/ music, poetry, story telling, meet the presenters _____Sat. only ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, all Sufi Zekr _____Sun. only ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, Whirling Dervishes _____Sat & Sun (two days/ $55.00) make your check payable to Sufism. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 21:43:13 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06358; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:55:56 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA28266; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:32:22 -0500 Received: from moon.nbn.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA20462; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:41:24 -0500 Received: from [199.4.64.28] (srf-28.nbn.com [199.4.64.28]) by moon.nbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09545 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:41:14 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: olh@mail.nbn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:43:13 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: olh@hyperback.com (Bob Olhsson) Subject: Re: Lets get pragmatic (fwd) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: At 7:55 PM 2/15/96, George Steffen wrote: >I'm a little confused >by the term "cultural loss." I don't understand what it means vis-a-vis >individual loss of consciousness. Could you explain it to me (see >asterisks below)? Thanks, > Salaams, > Habib N. > > >>It is important to differentiate between cultural losses and an >>individual's loss of consciousness of their relationship with Allah. >>Cultural loss is a common response that is then followed by a seeking of >>culture. I had little interest in my father's Swedish culture but now at >>age 50 I am fascinated by it and actively seek more knowledge about Sweden. >>... >The cultural diversity we have in the U.S. demands that *** religion be taught >and practiced from the core of the individual.*** What I mean is a loss of a particular cultural religous identity. (I'm coining all of my termonology here and would welcome better language.) Because we come from such a variety of cultures, the man-made customs and traditions often conflict for historical reasons whereas the ethical and spiritual realization appears, to me at least, to be a common one. The tradition of not translating the Holy Koran without an original printed next to the translation is a very formal recognition of this problem. Christian and Jewish Scriptures generally explain the problem in a preface printed on the first few pages. Bob Bob Olhsson Audio |O tongue, thou art a treasure without end. And, Box 555,Novato CA 94948 |O tongue, thou art also a disease without remedy. 415.457.2620 | 415.456.1496 FAX | == Jelal'uddin Rumi == From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 22:53:13 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09117; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:28:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA22283; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:55:55 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA22267; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:55:51 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29207; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:54:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:54:13 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Al Isra & Mi'raj Bookshop (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum. This resource has been added to the List of Sufi-related resources on the Internet at http://world.std.com/~habib/sufi.html If you know of other resources, please let me know by direct email to habib@world.std.com, and, Insh'Allah, I'll add them to the list! Yours, habib rose ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:49:54 -0800 From: Ahmad Salih To: habib@world.std.com Subject: Al Isra & Mi'raj Bookshop Asalam alaikum. We are at http://www.tassie.net.au/~asalih/. We are probably the largest Sufi bookshop in the Southern hemisphere. Based in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, we offer a wide range of books on Islam, Sufism and comparative religions. Check us out. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 23:08:51 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13745; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:43:42 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA23533; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:11:07 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA23522; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:11:05 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03978; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:09:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:09:51 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Symposium Registration via e-mail (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: From: ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism) From: Sufism Symposium: we have received several requests from a few who do not want to miss the discount deadline and would like to pre-register for the Sufism Symposium via e-mail. please post a note so we make reservation via e-mail for you and then, please fill in the following form and mail to our office at: Sufism, 25 Mitchell Blvd., Suite # 2, San Rafael, Ca 94903 to confirm your registration for the Sympsoium, we will send you a confirmation note as soon as we receive your registration form (below). hope to see you at the Symposium. many thanks. Name_________________________________________ phone:___________________________ Address_____________________________________ ____________________________________________ please mark: (pre-registration/send before March 1) ______Friday ($10.00)/ music, poetry, story telling, meet the presenters _____Sat. only ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, all Sufi Zekr _____Sun. only ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, Whirling Dervishes _____Sat & Sun (two days/ $55.00) make your check payable to Sufism. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Feb 18 18:44:53 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01863; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:07:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA18755; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:44:58 -0500 Received: from bio3.acpub.duke.edu by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA18750; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:44:56 -0500 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by bio3.acpub.duke.edu (8.7.1/Duke-3.0) id NAA03078; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:44:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Bismillaah In-Reply-To: <199602152021.PAA08087@UNiX.asb.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Let me add, to the anthology of translations of Bismillah (& thank you for collecting them) one I work with, albeit slightly experimental: In the Name of God, Source of Love, Sender of Love (Since the family of words in the RHM root include, matrix, kinship, mercy, and compassion; and since the form Rahman means what overflows; and the form Rahim means either agency or quality, I have reduced the wording slightly.) On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Fouad Haddad wrote: > >Bismillaahir -Rahmaanir -Rahiim > > > >In the Name of Allah The Beneficent the Merciful M Picktall > > Most Gracious Most Merciful A Yusuf Ali > > Most Benevolent Ever Merciful Ahmet Ali > > the Compassionate and Merciful JM Rodwell > > the Merciful the Compassionate AJ Arberry > > Arberry has: In the Name of God > > > the Gracious the Dispenser of Grace > > Muhammad Asad > > (more versions welcome) > > What is reported from the shaykh of my shaykh is: > > "In the Name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the All-Beneficent, the Most- > Munificent." > > >Brothers and Sisters > > > >Would someone please comment on these differing translations of the holy > >text for the benefit of us english speakers. > > One comment: "Compassionate" is inappropriate to my sense, because > etymologically it connotes togetherness (com-) in suffering/undergoing > s.th. (passion), from the Latin deponent patior, which is an impossibility > for God, but who knows that better than Arberry? Still... > > >Douglas (Arsalaan) Fay > > > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Feb 18 19:56:07 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25540; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:20:45 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA00329; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:51:19 -0500 Received: from wolfe.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA00287; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:51:14 -0500 Received: from [204.157.98.58] (sea-ts1-p04.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.58]) by wolfe.net (8.7.3/8.7) with SMTP id MAA25580 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: gws@gonzo.wolfe.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:56:07 -0700 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: gws@wolfe.net (George Steffen) Subject: Re: Thank you and travels Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Thank you again. > >love, >brad > Happy trails, Habib N. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 01:49:37 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16105; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:51:24 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA27682; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:51:24 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15476; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:49:37 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA27476; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:49:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:49:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199602190149.UAA27476@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Admin request Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Sun Feb 18 20:49:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA27471; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:49:33 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA16576 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:47:02 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:47:02 +0800 Message-Id: <199602190147.JAA16576@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 19-Feb-1996 9:52:38 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-MTS-Message-ID: B38C2831816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Message-Class: receipt-notification X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed To: tariqas%facteur.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Receipt: Message was read by recipient. ------- Transcript of Report follows ------ 2Non-Standard: SMF = 2200Error-report: 0 Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL Subject: Date:19-Feb-1996 9:06:58 +0800 Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 16:48:42 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18909; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:59:29 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA26339; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:36:03 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id UAA26330; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:36:00 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10264; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:31:12 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA16068 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:28:42 +0800 Message-Id: <199602190128.JAA16068@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 19-Feb-1996 9:34:28 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: re-travel X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 3C882831816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: re-travel Date: 19 Feb 96 16:48:42 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dearest Brad, wa aleiqum salaam I would love to receive one of your postings from Konya! I am hoping to be there in September myself. Please let me have your private E mail address and I will send you my snail address. Love Rabia From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 08:46:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04741; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 04:19:12 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA08290; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:50:35 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA08281; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:50:32 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01857; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:46:13 -0500 Received: from Sidney.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0toREP-000FfhC; Mon, 19 Feb 96 00:46 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 00:46 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Musawwir Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: MUSAWWIR What can be said of lucid ecstasy : only an embellishment; consciousness, union, Gnostic wisdom, but said? only words. When Adam learned the names and the wonderful art of baptism, God did not request the angels to bow down unto the word or any other icon before the demarcation, definition, distinction, existence or even essence before the cross cultural but archetypal dream, before spirituous or the very first breath was breathed into creation before time or the first dot in space before the womb there was no God, But God to canalize the form and accommodate the manner of full free self expression emerging emanation shaping all creation with the gift of perfect liberation A light behind the light casting thinking shadows casting lanterns whose bright flames burnt without a crutch without a wick and whose golden chain of light made of crystal hearts , masters, saints and prophets scaling ladders without steps reaching to the depths to the heights with wings of perfect love reaching into luminescence stretching streams of liquid amber rising mountains and galactic landscapes leaving singing a miracle of creation just from a command Be become becoming and than: The returning twists of vapor the changing re-arranging forms stretching across the heavens to something like a sound an idea gushing like a geyser up and down the branches always feeding thirsty roots and sustaining a mighty core a tree of life with arms raised in prayer, bending with cosmic blasts and from the beating hearts of children with angelic streams of vision Before the word there was perhaps a distinction Before the definition perhaps the demarcation Before existence ah the essence before time there was the shadow the shadow of a veil too brilliant to be seen behind nothing we can fit into the gift of this imagination. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 15:00:56 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27885; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:43:01 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA00309; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:00:06 -0500 Received: from cwis.unomaha.edu by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA00304; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:00:02 -0500 Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23925; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:00:56 -0600 Message-Id: <9602191500.AA23925@cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Re: Symposium Registration via e-mail To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:00:56 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Bennett In-Reply-To: from "Steve H Rose" at Feb 17, 96 11:09:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 201 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 786 asalaam, dear brother: i thank you for informing me about the symposium. i am interested in attending but i need to know the when, where, who etc. of it. thank you wasalaam abdul ghani From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 17:39:30 1996 Received: from relay7.UU.NET by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05301; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:58:44 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadpv27544; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA21937; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:56:45 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26699; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:39:39 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA19535; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:39:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:39:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199602191739.MAA19535@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Non-member submission from [ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism)] Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Mon Feb 19 12:39:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from moon.nbn.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA19530; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:39:26 -0500 Received: from [199.4.64.49] (srf-49.nbn.com [199.4.64.49]) by moon.nbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24266 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:39:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:39:36 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ias@mail.nbn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1 To: tariqas@europe.std.com From: ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism) Subject: Re: Symposium Registration via e-mail > 786 > >asalaam, > >dear brother: > > i thank you for informing me about the symposium. i am interested >in attending but i need to know the when, where, who etc. of it. > >thank you > >wasalaam > >abdul ghani From: Sufism Symposium: Annual Sufism Symposium Cathedral Hill Hotel 1101 Van Ness, San Francisco if you are staying at the hotel: Hotel will provide a special conference rate if reservation is made before March 1, call the hotel directly: 415-776-8200 Airline; United Airline offers a discount to al attendees, call 1-800-521-4041 and mention IDCode: 564XA please fill in the following form, created specially for you, and mail to our office at: Sufism, 25 Mitchell Blvd., Suite # 2, San Rafael, Ca 94903 we process your registration for the Sympsoium, and send you a confirmation note. many thanks. Name_________________________________________ phone:___________________________ Address_____________________________________ ____________________________________________ please mark: (pre-registration) ______Friday March 29, 7-9pm ($10.00)/ music, poetry, story telling, meet the presenters _____Sat. only March 30, 10am-7:30 pm ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, all Sufi Zekr _____Sun. only March 31, 10am-7:30pm ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, Whirling Dervishes _____Sat & Sun (two days/ $55.00) make your check payable to Sufism. Third Annual Sufism Symposium: a multi cultural weekend of unity * Theme: Expressions of Beauty and Sufism * Date: March 29-31, 1996 * Place: San Francisco, California Participants come from many cultures and backgrounds including: Africa, Bangladesh, Canada, England, Kuwait, Persia, Turkey, Argentina, Morocco, the Unites States, and many more offering a weekend of Unity and an opportunity for all to learn about the Expressions of Beauty and Sufism. * Friday: March 29, 7pm-9pm Sufi Music, Poetry Reading and Story Telling * Saturday and Sunday: March 30-31, 10am-8pm Lectures and Workshops, Panel Discussions: Beauty from the Interfaith Perspective; God, the Truth, the Benefactor Beautiful presented by the members of the Interfaith Organization The Beautiful Names in Sufi Character Development, a Psychological Perspective * Exhibitions: Arts, Audio & Video Tapes, and Books on Sufism From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 18:01:56 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14637; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:15:38 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA26020; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:15:09 -0500 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08915; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:03:56 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadpw12024; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA22753; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:01:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:01:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199602191801.NAA22753@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Non-member submission from [ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism)] Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Mon Feb 19 13:01:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA22747; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:01:53 -0500 Received: from moon.nbn.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02647; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:54:04 -0500 Received: from [199.4.64.49] (srf-49.nbn.com [199.4.64.49]) by moon.nbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24627 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:54:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:54:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ias@mail.nbn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora 2.1 To: tariqas@world.std.com From: ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism) Subject: pre-registraion-re-post From: Sufism Symposium: we had a few minor difficulties posting this message, so we will post it again, hope you will all receive it without difficulty. many thanks we have received several notes from a few who would like to register for the Sufism Symposium via e-mail. we can make reservation for you via e-mail. please fill in the following form, created specially for you, and mail to our office at: Sufism, 25 Mitchell Blvd., Suite # 2, San Rafael, Ca 94903 we process your registration for the Sympsoium, and send you a confirmation note. many thanks. Annual Sufism Symposium date: Friday March 29, 7pm-9pm, music, poetry, zekr, story telling Saturday, and Sunday, March 30-31, 10am-7:30 pm, lectures, workshops, zekr,whirling dervishes, and more Location: Cathedral Hill Hotel 1101 Van Ness, San Francisco phone: 415-776-8200 if you are staying at the hotel: Hotel will provide a special conference rate if reservation is made before March 1, call the hotel directly: 415-776-8200 Airline; United Airline offers a discount to al attendees, call 1-800-521-4041 and mention IDCode: 564XA to pre-register: please fill in the following form, created specially for you, and mail to our office at: Sufism, 25 Mitchell Blvd., Suite # 2, San Rafael, Ca 94903 we process your registration for the Sympsoium, and send you a confirmation note. many thanks. Name_________________________________________ phone:___________________________ Address_____________________________________ ____________________________________________ please mark: (pre-registration) ______Friday March 29, 7-9pm ($10.00)/ music, poetry, story telling, meet the presenters _____Sat. only March 30, 10am-7:30 pm ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, all Sufi Zekr _____Sun. only March 31, 10am-7:30pm ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, Whirling Dervishes _____Sat & Sun (two days/ $55.00) make your check payable to Sufism. Third Annual Sufism Symposium: a multi cultural weekend of unity * Theme: Expressions of Beauty and Sufism * Date: March 29-31, 1996 * Place: San Francisco, California Participants come from many cultures and backgrounds including: Africa, Bangladesh, Canada, England, Kuwait, Persia, Turkey, Argentina, Morocco, the Unites States, and many more offering a weekend of Unity and an opportunity for all to learn about the Expressions of Beauty and Sufism. * Friday: March 29, 7pm-9pm Sufi Music, Poetry Reading and Story Telling * Saturday and Sunday: March 30-31, 10am-8pm Lectures and Workshops, Panel Discussions: Beauty from the Interfaith Perspective; God, the Truth, the Benefactor Beautiful presented by the members of the Interfaith Organization The Beautiful Names in Sufi Character Development, a Psychological Perspective * Exhibitions: Arts, Audio & Video Tapes, and Books on Sufism From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 17:48:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05680; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:56:37 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA21867; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:56:31 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA21808; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:56:23 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00445; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:48:46 -0500 Received: from Cox.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0toZhS-000Fd2C; Mon, 19 Feb 96 09:48 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 09:48 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Ninety Nine Beautiful Names Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: My Dearest Friends, I hope that you have enjoyed the few sketches I have presented this year and last regarding the Ninety Nine Beautiful Names. I am desperate in regard to some type of feedback. What I am after is which poems extended some sense of atmosphere of the particular "name" it was reffering to. Which just stopped feeling like poetry and got downright either preachy and/or uncomfortable? Which held your interest and which did not? Which if you can remember had you look forward to the next one, and which had you say oh God Bless him not another, and than move on to your next e-mail message? I do know that I am asking for a lot in regard to responce. Also I would appreciate it for those who care to respond to this request to do it via personal e-mail to me, so as to not waste anyone elses time uneccessarily. Thank you for your very kind indulgence and if not your consideration. Love. Your brother Jabriel. p.s. I am also looking for an editor if anyone has any suggestions ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 18:14:38 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14274; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:17:03 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA27189; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:23:52 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA27181; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:23:47 -0500 Received: from homer11.u.washington.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14358; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:15:10 -0500 Received: by homer11.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA156782; Mon, 19 Feb 96 10:14:38 -0800 X-Sender: lilyan@homer11.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:14:38 -0800 (PST) From: Lilyan Ila To: tariqasnet Subject: Azizatu Nafsiha Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Azizatu Nafsiha by Mohja Kahf The woman dear to herself lives in the heart The woman dear to herself is alive to the presence of Allah and does not lose herself in the presence of man woman, or child The woman dear to herself loves for another what she loves for herself, and loves for herself Hers a love neither conquest nor surrender a love of being in Being In love she remains whole She doesn't chop herself like an onion She doesn't peel herself and sweep away the dry peelings She doesn't dissolve herself over the years into another The woman dear to herself, when she has her period, says, "I have my period" She knows the geography of her body, and how to give directions The woman dear to herself has breast exams and running shoes and eats well, and washes her face in the river She doesn't fade when her husband comes into the room and cherishes the beauty in other women as in her self She wears dignity like a mantle It swings lightly from her shoulders when she moves The woman dear to herself, when come the spring rains --O meeting with the beloved!-- knows where to find the first stalks of green! so that when the rivulets stream and stream over the brown muds the crocuses will open oval buds and hyacinths will triumph flush & pink tiny flower after tiny flower & jonquils everywhere delight the woman dear to herself, she who lives in the heart of every man woman and child Copyright 1996 Mohja Kahf PhD Do not copy, forward or distribute without permission of the author From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 19:02:26 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03242; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:54:04 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA02754; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:02:31 -0500 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA02738; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:02:27 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadqa19590; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA04894 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:02:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:02:26 -0500 Message-Id: <960219140225_148065553@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Ninety Nine Beautiful Names Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: hello Jabriel, I did not know that all your poetry was a laying out for us of a vision of each of the ninety nine beautiful names. That was probably obvious to most of the group however. I know that some did touch me more than others, some I've saved, others did not invite me in. some of the more positive ones I've written you about in private email, so you can take it that they were the more moving, for me. Had I known that you wanted this sort of feedback, I might have been more open to sending you more comments. thank you in general for your poetry. Jinavamsa In a message dated 96-02-19 12:58:18 EST, you write: > Ninety Nine Beautiful Names >Date: 96-02-19 12:58:18 EST >From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) >Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com >Reply-to: tariqas@europe.std.com >To: tariqas@world.std.com > >My Dearest Friends, > > I hope that you have enjoyed the few sketches I have presented this year >and last regarding the Ninety Nine Beautiful Names. I am desperate in >regard to some type of feedback. What I am after is which poems extended >some sense of atmosphere of the particular "name" it was reffering to. >Which just stopped feeling like poetry and got downright either preachy >and/or uncomfortable? Which held your interest and which did not? Which if >you can remember had you look forward to the next one, and which had you >say oh God Bless him not another, and than move on to your next e-mail >message? > > I do know that I am asking for a lot in regard to responce. Also I would >appreciate it for those who care to respond to this request to do it via >personal e-mail to me, so as to not waste anyone elses time uneccessarily. >Thank you for your very kind indulgence and if not your consideration. >Love. Your brother Jabriel. p.s. I am also looking for an editor if anyone >has any suggestions >----------------------------------------- > Jabriel Hanafi > Dynamics Unlimited > Suite 806 327 Maitland > Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 >Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 > > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >From tariqas-approval@europe.std.com Mon Feb 19 12:57:54 1996 >Return-Path: tariqas-approval@europe.std.com >Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by >emin15.mail.aol.co From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 00:06:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14808; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:01:56 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA27924; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:23:01 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA27913; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:22:58 -0500 Received: from halon.sybase.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26071; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:19:39 -0500 Received: from sybase.sybase.com (nntp1.sybase.com) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA10253; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:19:54 -0800 Received: from serii.sybase.com ([158.159.40.63]) by sybase.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA23122; Mon, 19 Feb 96 16:19:36 PST Received: by serii.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA05270; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:06:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:06:00 -0800 From: mateens@sybase.com (Mateen Siddiqui) Message-Id: <9602200006.AA05270@serii.sybase.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Eid Mubarak from Haqqani Sufi Foundation Cc: mateens@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: ******************************************************** * IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCIFUL * * * * W I S H I N G A L L T A R I Q A S * * * * S U B S C R I B E R S * * * * A V E R Y H A P P Y E I D ! ! ! * * * * KULLI 'AAM WA ANTUM BI-KHAIR * * * * MAY EVERY NEW YEAR FIND YOU WITH THE BEST * * OF HEALTH AND FAITH AND HAPPINESS * * * * FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE * * HAQQANI FOUNDATION * ******************************************************** From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 01:53:01 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29888; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:39:37 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA08186; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:00:55 -0500 Received: from soho.ios.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA08178; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:00:50 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-52.ts-7.nyc.idt.net [206.20.67.116]) by soho.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01444 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:53:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:53:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199602200153.UAA01444@soho.ios.com> X-Sender: kaleema@198.4.75.47 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: "K. Ahmad" Subject: Eid Mubarak from Kaleem Ahmad and Family Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: (*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(* (* IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCIFUL (* (* (* (* WISHING ALL TARIQAS' (* (* (* (* BROTHERS AND SISTERS (* (* (* (* A V E R Y H A P P Y E I D ! ! ! (* (* (* (* KULLI 'AAM WA ANTUM BI-KHAIR (* (* (* (* MAY EVERY NEW YEAR FIND YOU WITH THE BEST (* (* OF HEALTH AND FAITH AND HAPPINESS (* (* (* (* FROM KALEEM AHMAD AND FAMILY (* (* (* (*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(* One who has understood The meaning of "La-Ilah" And the Secret of his "self" Doth Know, >From mere Dust Bright Eyes Can He easily Grow! Oh, don't leave the skirt Of such a Believer >From your hand, For I've seen Sun and Moon In his Lasso! -Iqbal Do you wish to know The qualities of ture Scholars And Artists? They've never been greedy of worldly riches Nor they ever Knelt Down to any worldly creature, Except the Almighty God! They never desired A handsome Servant, With a guilded Belt! They have been indifferent To the two worlds Just like their Maker, And in spite of having nothing, The want for anything, They never Felt! -Iqbal All The Best Everyone, Eid Mubarak Kaleem From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 19:13:59 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25963; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:33:32 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA20792; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:02:15 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA20784; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:02:12 -0500 From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07272; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:56:40 -0500 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA02216 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:54:08 +0800 Message-Id: <199602200354.LAA02216@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 20-Feb-1996 12:00:02 -0500; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: many thanks X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 0EFC2931816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: many thanks Date: 20 Feb 96 19:13:59 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Many many thanks to those who have wished us all a blessed Ramadhan and a joyful Eid, many thanks to brother Hafizullah for your most interesting postings on sufi symbols, I treasure them and especially thanks of the heart to Jabriel for all his beautiful poems, and in particular his latest one."A light behind the light casting thinking shadows", what a beautiful description of truly inspired poetry... All should recognise that poetry descends as a gift from the owner of all Beauty, Sound and Meaning and , we, the poets, receive this gift in the heart where it is transmuted in poems. I will be very very happy, dearest Jabriel, to give you the feedback you need, just give a couple of days. Please let me have also your private Email address, it will be quicker (I write from Perth, Western Australia) PRAYER of the POET Our Source Who /Hu art in the heart, Blessed be Thy infinite Names,through which You reveal Your Reality to Yourself and all the worlds come into existence, ...and give us the gift of our daily Unknown, and forgive our sins of forgetfulness ignorance and separation Amin From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 07:58:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15153; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:26:33 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA09009; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:58:32 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA09004; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:58:29 -0500 Received: from Knapp.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tomxu-000FcVC; Mon, 19 Feb 96 23:58 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 23:58 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: many thanks Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > to Jabriel >Please let me have also your private Email address, dynamics@islandnet.com thanks. Your Brother. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 07:52:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14958; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:25:19 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA08914; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:55:46 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA08909; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:55:43 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09535; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:53:10 -0500 Received: from Knapp.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tomsV-000Fd7C; Mon, 19 Feb 96 23:52 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 23:52 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Qahhar Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: QAHHAR IN SHA ALLAH MA SHA ALLAH Dive within life's varied dreams and wake. There the jewel of who you are sits, it softly radiates and waits for a response. Let your mind become the sea a cosmic ocean liberating and floating in eternity IN SHA ALLAH MA SHA ALLAH surrender life's inequity and choose to bow before your Lord Sublime and wash the rust with an exalted and resonant sound : Ya Qahhar Estaufrullah Ya Qahhar Al Ghaffar Look at the power within Grace and as you begin to accomedate and as you thank and praise your Lord for everything You see and accept and as you liberate and release by these acts the pain held onto throughout eternity know that your function is to save humanity weave for the agitant a coccoon of tenderness irrridecent cirlce it in a sea turned sweet with a thread of light turn and discern the pearl at the tip of the mouth in your shell and release, just detach making common the rarest gift of all the breath that's breathing you with the thought that's thinking you as you kneel and you bow and face your Lord IN SHA ALLAH MA SHA ALLAH paradise is right here my friends IN SHA ALLAH MA SHA ALLAH Allah is as close as our jugalar vain Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 07:52:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15098; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:26:00 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA08924; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:55:49 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA08919; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:55:46 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09527; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:53:07 -0500 Received: from Knapp.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tomsN-000FcVC; Mon, 19 Feb 96 23:52 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 23:52 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Al Gaffar Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Al Ghaffar Guilt: a coat of arms on a shield (I have called my denial) demanding admission that You created me wrong! It is the heart of my hate and my fear it is the weapon my ego has chosen to generate chaos and than to declare a personal war against the kingdom within It is the manner in which I stand sleeping robbing vitality value and virture it is the way I seem to stand blind replacing my vision for another illusion It is what lets me walk in the fog and keeps me deaf from hearing the horn This is the prop I am afraid to surrender the fortification of an ego's inglorious fate Guilt is the screen and a shield which keeps me from You breaking all vows life becomes empty the spine feels like jelly allowing the tongue no constraint and no will Guilt is the sword of a soldier gone wild cutting the heart away from the man now all that is left is an automated venture mischief the fuel survival the game stabbing your brother insulting your neighbor this is the trap of commerce and vice the whore of desire, the prick of the needle, toxic pollution a virus which spreads turbulence and violence crash through the stillness while peace or the soul may never be found Who else can I ask for the wisdom it takes to absolve the image shattered by time to forgive myself to pardon my neighbor give me the strength to bend to my knees teach me to know that You can erase the disease and make as before Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Feb 19 20:27:49 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09832; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 06:58:59 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA12943; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:27:46 -0500 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA12938; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:27:43 -0500 From: ASHA101@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA28840 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:27:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:27:49 -0500 Message-Id: <960219152748_426377817@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Azizatu Nafsiha Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: I am very impressed by the truth of this poem and it strikes a nerve very deep in my heart ... the following is just my own reflection ... and why is this so important to the heart of a man? Untill you fall under this spell, every effort will be a waste, >>She wears dignity like a mantle<<< when men and today's society begin to learn to recognize the mantle of every person's dignity without first qualifying it and amending it and judging it, >>She doesn't peel herself and sweep away the dry peelings<< and when we begin to accept all and all of it and off of ourselves first, not ascribing some of it to satan and some to god and some to others and some to us and some of it worthy and some not ..... >>>She doesn't dissolve herself over the years into another<<< when we learn to give voice to all of our selves and voice to all people rather than judging who desrves it, rather than precensoring Allah.... >>> Hers a love neither conquest nor surrender <<< when we learn that fana also means neither conquest nor surrender but also birth, to be more precise rebirthing, that there is mastery in attunemnet .... when we learn the truth of this poem, then we will be on the way to sufism and freedom Asha From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 19:26:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08899; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:22:48 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA14760; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:38:25 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA14750; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:38:22 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02960; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:26:28 -0500 Received: from Knapp.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0toxhh-000Fe1C; Tue, 20 Feb 96 11:26 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 11:26 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Wahhab Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: WAHHAB So space needs you but You were never trapped by a womb or a body accept everyone's with this kingdom which breathes from within Sovereignty which is but a coin that has another side, and I a slave surrendered from time to time can call myself a Moslem Exisiting without limits (infinite) without comprehensible dimension You give as you exist, A Supreme Reality for those with eye's who can see into eternity for those with ears who can hear the choir and crescendo of space collapsing and offer not one note of definition which makes all which seems to exist, a shadow in a cave without light and for those like myself who pretend (causing mischief) to have a small degree of capacity the revolution becomes the trap to pass the passing time with strange theatrics leaving nothing still, contained or non relational Your gifts, this banquet table You have set for Your Creation asks as You ask for nothing in return, and in our immaturity we are left with one request and that is to teach us to receive. to be big enough to let ourselves be emptied out to fill our selves with just a taste of Your Divine Imensity Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Feb 20 21:37:35 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16365; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:28:50 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA02681; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:37:46 -0500 Received: from venere.inet.it by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA02664; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:37:40 -0500 Received: from perseo.inet.it (perseo.inet.it [194.20.15.172]) by venere.inet.it (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA114650 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:37:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:37:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199602202137.WAA114650@venere.inet.it> X-Sender: paterna@pop.inet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: paterna@perseo.it (Domenico Paterna) Subject: Re: Bismillaah Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Bismillaahir -Rahmaanir -Rahiim > >In the Name of Allah The Beneficent the Merciful M Picktall > Most Gracious Most Merciful A Yusuf Ali > Most Benevolent Ever Merciful Ahmet Ali > the Compassionate and Merciful JM Rodwell > the Merciful the Compassionate AJ Arberry > the Gracious the Dispenser of Grace > Muhammad Asad > (more versions welcome) In the Name of Allah Most Gracious, Ever Merciful Muhammad Zafrulla Khan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domenico Paterna | Come, come whoever you are, paterna@perseo.it | An unbeliever, a fire-worshipper, come. via Antonio Lecchi, 20 | Our convent is not of desperation. 20143 Milan | Even if you have broken your vows a hundred times, Italy | Come, come again. tel. +39-2-58104410 | ===Mevlana Jalal al-Din Rumi=== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gt0009b@prism.gatech.edu Wed Feb 21 04:28:45 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00641; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:31:23 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA07875; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:31:22 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29145; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:28:40 -0500 Received: from bairdsun27.gatech.edu (gt0009b@bairdsun27.gatech.edu [130.207.181.37]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA04479 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:28:39 -0500 From: gt0009b@prism.gatech.edu (Rahim Delawalla) Received: (gt0009b@localhost) by bairdsun27.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17490 for owner-tariqas@world.std.com; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:28:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199602210428.XAA17490@bairdsun27.gatech.edu> Subject: Address Change To: owner-tariqas@world.std.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 309 Status: RO X-Status: A Dear Habib-- My Internet address is changing from gt0009b@prism.gatech.edu to rahim@netcom.com Could you please make the necessary changes to the tariqas mailing list so I can get the messages at my new address. Thank you. How is life going on your end of the continent? rahim rahim@netcom.com From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 05:10:30 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00384; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:37:55 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA12606; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:10:37 -0500 Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA12599; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:10:33 -0500 Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA25755; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:10:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:10:30 +1100 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Bismillaah In-Reply-To: <199602202137.WAA114650@venere.inet.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Domenico Paterna wrote: > >Bismillaahir -Rahmaanir -Rahiim > > > >In the Name of Allah The Beneficent the Merciful M Pickthall > > Most Gracious Most Merciful A Yusuf Ali > > Most Benevolent Ever Merciful Ahmet Ali > > the Compassionate and Merciful JM Rodwell > > the Merciful the Compassionate AJ Arberry > > the Gracious the Dispenser of Grace > > Muhammad Asad > > (more versions welcome) > > In the Name of Allah Most Gracious, Ever Merciful Muhammad Zafrulla Khan In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful - Thomas Cleary, "The Essential Koran" From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 00:17:39 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14446; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:55:59 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA14185; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:22:36 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id AAA14178; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:22:33 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18651; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:18:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:18:39 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Re: Symposium Registration via e-mail (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: From: ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism) > 786 > >asalaam, > >dear brother: > > i thank you for informing me about the symposium. i am interested >in attending but i need to know the when, where, who etc. of it. > >thank you > >wasalaam > >abdul ghani From: Sufism Symposium: Annual Sufism Symposium Cathedral Hill Hotel 1101 Van Ness, San Francisco if you are staying at the hotel: Hotel will provide a special conference rate if reservation is made before March 1, call the hotel directly: 415-776-8200 Airline; United Airline offers a discount to al attendees, call 1-800-521-4041 and mention IDCode: 564XA please fill in the following form, created specially for you, and mail to our office at: Sufism, 25 Mitchell Blvd., Suite # 2, San Rafael, Ca 94903 we process your registration for the Sympsoium, and send you a confirmation note. many thanks. Name_________________________________________ phone:___________________________ Address_____________________________________ ____________________________________________ please mark: (pre-registration) ______Friday March 29, 7-9pm ($10.00)/ music, poetry, story telling, meet the presenters _____Sat. only March 30, 10am-7:30 pm ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, all Sufi Zekr _____Sun. only March 31, 10am-7:30pm ($35.00)/ lectures, workshops, Whirling Dervishes _____Sat & Sun (two days/ $55.00) make your check payable to Sufism. Third Annual Sufism Symposium: a multi cultural weekend of unity * Theme: Expressions of Beauty and Sufism * Date: March 29-31, 1996 * Place: San Francisco, California Participants come from many cultures and backgrounds including: Africa, Bangladesh, Canada, England, Kuwait, Persia, Turkey, Argentina, Morocco, the Unites States, and many more offering a weekend of Unity and an opportunity for all to learn about the Expressions of Beauty and Sufism. * Friday: March 29, 7pm-9pm Sufi Music, Poetry Reading and Story Telling * Saturday and Sunday: March 30-31, 10am-8pm Lectures and Workshops, Panel Discussions: Beauty from the Interfaith Perspective; God, the Truth, the Benefactor Beautiful presented by the members of the Interfaith Organization The Beautiful Names in Sufi Character Development, a Psychological Perspective * Exhibitions: Arts, Audio & Video Tapes, and Books on Sufism From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 07:22:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17220; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:43:13 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA26110; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:26:02 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id CAA26091; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:25:59 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12719; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:22:21 -0500 Received: from i7.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tp8sU-000FavC; Tue, 20 Feb 96 23:22 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 23:22 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Razzaq Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: RAZZAQ Our Lord, You have not created this universe in vain Rabana ma khalaqta hadha batilan Each treasure upon the table You have spread for your creation is a fulfillment of The Purpose Each drop of gnosis, each pearl of wisdom, each embrace of love, is fana, eternity and completion. Teach me then to stop pretending that I need to crawl like a beggar through the streets of Bagdad or any other world enamored with the reality of my Father's sad illusion for I am my Father's Father and he is Adam's son and this illusion of vain pride, of hypocracy and of fear has been the banner we have carried through the years that we are sin, that we are error, that You would tear us all asunder is the lie of separation, the ego's ill concieved reality teach us to forgive our neighbor, teach us to forgive our slumbering selves refresh our vision as we look upon our brother as we surrender to our sister's arms lets us find Your sweet embrace Rabbana ma khalaqta batilan Our Lord, You have not created this universe in vain. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 13:43:06 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19088; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:14:31 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20201; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:42:56 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20195; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:42:54 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24611; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:36:12 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls9.asb.com [165.254.128.19]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05710 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211343.IAA05710@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Hadith on kashf (unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: HADITH ON KASHF (SPIRITUAL UNVEILING) ------------------------------------ >>LIKE THE SAHABI who was asked by the Prophet Muhammad PBUH: "Kayfa Asbahta Yaa >>Fulaan?" He answered saying: "Asbahtu Mu'eminan Haqq'an Ya Rasul-Allah". >>"Undhur madha taq'ul... li-kulli haqq'in haq'iq'ah famaa Haq'iq'atu >>Imaanuk?" Was the second question asked to him by the Prophet of Mercy PBUH >>His answer was: "Azafat nafsi ani-ddunia, fa-asshartu layli, wa adhma'atu >>nahari, wa asbahtu wa ka'anni bi-a'rchi rabbi baarizan (and in another >>narration: ...asbahtu andhuru ila a'rchi rabbi baarizan). Wa ka-anni bi-ahl >>el-jannati yatazawaruun, wa ahli en-naari yatalawamuun..." The Best of the >>Creation Muhammad PBUH, answered him saying: "A'arifta falzam, A'arifta >>falzam!.." > >Which Sahabi was this and where is this report from? >Could you give evidence to its reliability >From al-Harith ibn Malik al-Ansari (some chains have: al-Haritha ibn al-Na`man al-Ansari): He passed by the Prophet (s) who asked him: "How are you this morning O Haritha [sic]?" He replied: "This morning I am a real believer." The Prophet (s) said: "Take care of what you say: what is the reality of your belief?" He said: "I have turned myself away from this world by keeping awake at night and by keeping myself thirsty by day; and I can almost see the Throne of my Lord in full sight; and I can almost see the people of the Garden of Paradise visiting each other; and I can almost see the people of the Fire wailing to each other in it." The Prophet (s) said: "O Haritha, you do know: therefore cleave to it." Some versions add: "This is a believer; Allah has illumined his heart" (mu'minun nawwara Allahu qalbah). Narrated by Tabarani in his "Mu`jam al-Kabir," al-Bazzar, Suyuti in his "Jami` al-saghir," Al-Haythami in "Majma` al-zawa'id" in the "Chapter on the Reality of Belief and its Perfection" (bab haqiqat al-iman wa kamalih), al-`Askari, Ibn al-Mubarak in "Kitab al-zuhd," `Abd al-Razzaq (one of the shaykhs of Imam al-Bukhari) through two chains, Ibn Mindah, Bayhaqi in "Shu`ab al-iman," Ibn Asram in "Kitab al-istiqama," Ibn Sa`id, and Ibn Abi Shayba in his "Musannaf." It is mentioned in "al-fiqh al-akbar" attributed to Imam Abu Hanifa. Ibn Hajar in his "Isaba" lists its many chains and says that this is a hadith "mu`dal" (i.e. its isnad is missing two or more sub-narrators) and "mawsul" (or: muttasil; i.e. it is linked back to a Companion through the authority of a tabi`i (Follower)). Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 13:44:53 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22680; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:20:12 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20311; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:53 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20277; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:49 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25353; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:38:02 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls9.asb.com [165.254.128.19]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05801 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211344.IAA05801@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: [5] On kashf (Unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [5] ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) ==================================================== [3/3] Reply on Kashf (Unveiling) Please note: >> Fouad Haddad in and > Brother Akram Safadi in Fouad Haddad (this post) [deleted] >>Abd al-Qadir refers to the knowledge and power that result from it in >>Discourse 16: "And fear Allah and He will teach you, then He will invest >>you with the power of controlling the universe with a clear permission >>which will have no obscurity in it... and He has done this with many of >>His Prophets and awliya and people especially favored from among the >>children of Adam." > >Finally, here is the "power of controlling the universe" >{Say: bring your proof if you are truthful}! I refer you back to Ibn Taymiyya's explanation which I capitalized for you. >Allah Most High says in the Qur'an (7:188), > {Say [O the Prophet]: I have no power to benefit myself > nor to harm it, except that which Allah wills. > Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I would have acquired > much good (al-khayr), and adversity (al-su') would not > have touched me. . .} >Yet these claimed awliya' calim "power of controlling the universe"! Also: "Say: I am but a man (or: a mortal) like yourselves" (18:110, 41:6) "And they say: We will not put faith in thee till thou cause a spring to gush forth... Or thou have a garden... and cause rivers to gush forth... Or thou cause the heaven to fall... or bring God and the angels... have a house of gold; ascend up into heaven... bring down for us a book... Say: My Lord be glorified! Am I naught save a mortal messenger?" (17:90-93) etc. I think that you and other brothers who follow the same doctrine, keep quoting such verses to try to prove that the Prophet (s) was an ordinary person. It is normal that you try to extend it also to the awliya being even more ordinary. You gave another glimpse of that doctrine in your shrug about miracles when you said "Even the prophets do not have any control over that, let alone other persons." Such behavior is typical of certain groups standing in the way of the propagation of true Islam to whom Nuh Keller refers in his notice on Yusuf al-Rifa`i, ironically in the very book which you are selling entitled <>: "He (Yusuf al-Rifa`i) takes a keen interest in the problems of Muslims today, and at a recent symposium in Amman with Sheikh Abdullah Muhammad Ghimari and Sheikh Hassan Saqqaf, he voiced his concern for the obstacles to the current Islamic revival and world propagation of Islam that are being put in its way by "fundamentalists" whose view of Allah is anthropomorphic, view of the Prophet (s) is that he is over-venerated and loved by Muslims, and view of Muslims is that they are unbelievers or immersed in unlawful innovations."p1112 To go back to the above verses, the scholars' explanation for them is not that the Prophets declare their mortality as an expression of their ordinariness, but rather of their dignity and humbleness on the one hand, and on the other hand to destroy any claim of a nature other than human -e.g. god or angel- that might be attributed to them. These verses also came in answer to some people who asked the Prophet (s) for signs in a spirit of disbelief and mockery, such as a group who claimed that they would attest to his prophethood only if he performed for them certain miracles, while it is established by the scholars of "Asbab an-nuzul" (Context for Revelation) that the Prophet (s) disliked being asked for miracles by unbelievers. To quote these verses in an attempt to prove the supposed ordinariness of the Prophet (s) is an aberrant practice and a true under-estimation of his rights and of Allah's generosity towards Him. The Prophet certainly was not limited in the reductive sense that disbelievers claimed about prophets in the verse: "They said: Ye are but mortals like unto us" (36:15). Finally another reason for the disclaimers concerning the Prophet (s) was his humbleness. The explanation of Ibn 'Abbas quoted by Qadi `Iyad and al-Khazin in his tafseer (18:110) suffices for anyone who looks at the Prophet (s) with the eyes of belief rather than those of skepticism: "Allah has taught modesty to His Prophet Muhammad (s), lest he boast before His creation. He has therefore ordered him to be dignified and say: I am but a mortal man like you, except that I was chosen for Revelation." >[deleted] >>The possessor of such gifts and powers of vision is in no way exempted >>from the obligations of religion. > >Is this a quesionable issue to start with? or is it within some groups? Yes, historically there have been heretical groups which Imam Ghazali among others refuted, such as the ibahiyya (Exemptionists), who made it a questionable issue. >>The Shareef of the Prophet's Family, >>the Siddeeq and Ghawth Abu al-Hasan al-Shaadhili al-Maaliki warned: "If >>your kashf opposes the Book and the Sunna, leave kashf and tell >>yourself: Allah has guaranteed infallibility to the Book and the Sunna, >>but He has not guaranteed it for kashf." (al-Taftazani, Madkhalun ila >>al-tasawwuf p. 240.) > >Yet another "Ghawth" (Arch-Helper as you translated it)! >Is there any valid evidence for the sufi-doctrine of the Ghawth? >Also, if I may ask, is there a Ghawth in our times? In reply to the jeer and the two questions, I refer you back to the ahadith I mentioned earlier in reference to the ghawth, and the ahadith in relation to the abdaal. There are also other ahadith which I would have mentioned, but this discussion is long enough as it is, and I fear further acrimony. >Doesn't this saying of al-Shadhili, and similar sayings which is common >in sufi-works, prove that it was quesionable issue among their >followers, or at least some of them? No more than does Ibn Hajar's similar saying in "Fath al-Bari" with regard to Muslims being inspired like `Umar's ibn al-Khattab "prove that it was a questionable issue" among Ibn Hajar's readers, "or at least some of them". "The one among [Muslims] who is spoken to [i.e. inspired], if his existence is ascertained, what befalls him is not used as basis for a legal judgment, rather he is obliged to evaluate it with the Qur'an, and if it conforms to it or to the Sunna, he acts upon it, otherwise he leaves it." (7:62-63:#3689) [deleted] >>the Sultan of the Knowers of Allah Bayazeed al-Bistami who >>said: "If you see him fly in the air and walk on water do not be deluded by >>him, but see how he stands on the orders and the prohibitions." (Quoted >>in Ibn Taymiyya's Fatawi 11:466.) > >"the Sultan of the Knowers of Allah" >Is it because he used to claim, "My heart told me from my Lord"? We have just established the certainty that there are servants "spoken to". [deleted] >Did any Imam of Shari`ah accept such kashf from anyone as religious >knowledge? IMAM AHMAD cited in <>, also Ibn Abi al-Dunya, Abu Nu`aym, Bayhaqi, and Ibn `Asakir from Julays from Wahb ibn Munabbih that he said: I saw the Prophet (s) in my sleep, so I said: "Ya Rasulallah, where are the Substitutes (budala) of your Community?" So he gestured with his hand towards Syria. I said: "Ya Rasulallah, aren't there any in Iraq?" He said: "Yes, Muhammad ibn Waasi`, Hassaan ibn Abi Sinaan, and Maalik ibn Deenar, who walks among the people similarly to Abu Dharr in his time." [deleted] >Please, to avoid confusion, can you answer these questions clearly: >1.Is kashf a legitimate way to recieve_any_knowledge of the Din >(religion) of Islam? >2. Can the awliya' recieve knowledge of the Din from Allah through >kashf, such as knowledge about names/attributes of Allah? >3. Can the awliya' recieve knowledge of the Din from the Prophet >through kashf, such as whether a hadith is authentic or not? I refer you back to the various answers already given above. >And Allah knows best, and success is truly from Allah Most High. >wa al-salamu `alaykum, > >A k r a m Y S a f a d i > Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, USA. > >___________________________ >a-safadi@nwu.edu > wa alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullah, and thank you. Apologies for the inordinate length of my reply. Al-hamdu lillah in any case, and Allah knows best. ___________________________ f_haddad@unix.asb.com Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 13:43:18 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22533; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:19:58 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20320; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:54 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20288; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:50 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24695; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:36:27 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls9.asb.com [165.254.128.19]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05725 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211343.IAA05725@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: [1] On kashf (Unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [1] ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) ==================================================== Abundant Praise and Thanks to Allah, and Blessings and Peace upon His Beloved, Muhammad, and upon his Family and Companions, and may Allah be well pleased with their Pious Followers, and with the Imams Who Strove for Knowledge, and with the Scholars Who Truly Fear Him, and with the Pious Saints. May Allah bless my Shaykh and the Shaykh of my Shaykh. Kashf (Unveiling) is a reality which refers to the miraculous knowledge of the awliya (Friends of Allah). Such knowledge attains higher levels than that of any other knowledge of humankind and jinn including in certain cases the knowledge of Prophets, such as Moosa (as) with al-Khidr (as), who is described in the Qur'an as "one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence" (18:66). Such knowledge is also described as "the knowledge of the Book" and may take the form of mastery over time and space (27:40). The Qur'an extols the rank of the awliya with the affirmation: "Lo! Verily the friends of Allah are those on whom fear cometh not, nor do they grieve" (10:62). The Prophet (s) said: "The true vision is one-fortysixth part of prophecy." The Imam of the Sunna and of Tasawwuf, the Ghawth (Arch- Helper) of Mankind Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Gilani -- may Allah sanctify his secret -- said (Discourse 9 of <>): "To awliya and abdal (Substitutes) are disclosed such workings of Allah as in the course of kashf and mushahada (vision) as overwhelm the reasoning power of man and shatter into pieces all habits and customs." These phenomena fall under the category of khawaariq (extraordinary matters) to which belong the karaamaat, the "gifts" or miracles of saints, belief in which is an obligation of each and every person in Islam. (The sect of the Mu`tazila did not believe in the miracles of the saints, and some today even say that the awliya are not known!) The Companions of the Prophet (s) were familiar with such disclosures, chief among them the two Shaykhs of Islam, our Masters Abu Bakr (r) and `Umar (r). The first announced to his wife that she was pregnant with a boy, and the second miraculously saw Sariya and his army in Persia while he was in Madina, and he cried out to Sariya and Sariya heard him. And the Prophet (s) said: "In the nations before you were people who were inspired other than the Prophets. If there is anyone such as this in my Community, it is `Umar ibn al-Khattab." That kashf is an opening granted by Allah that is completely independent of one's own exertion or capacity for learning is clear from the saying of Abu Hurayra (r): "The Prophet (s) poured into my breast two large vessels of knowledge": he did not say "taught me," which would suppose the activity of learning on his part, but "poured into me," which indicates a state of passive receptivity. The reality of kashf is established in the sharee`a, as is stated in Haythami's fatwa on the subject and Nawawi's before him (Fatawa hadeethiyya 311-313). And Ibn Taymiyya says: "Faqad thabata anna li awliya Allahi mukhaaTabaatun wa mukaashafaat" (al-furqan p. 52): "It is established that the awliya possess spiritual communications and unveilings." Many sayings of the Prophet (s) mention the various types and ranks of the saints, as Suyuti has shown in his collection of them in his article: <> or "The Reported Matter That Indicates the Existence of the Pole, the Pillars, the Leaders, and the Substitutes (of the Awliya)." These and other types of perfected individuals form the khawaaSS or elite of the pious, whom the Qur'an also calls Siddeeqeen (Most Truthful Ones) and ranks after the Prophets and before the Martyrs. Their position in relation to Allah on the Day of Judgment is described as an object of desire for the Prophets in the hadith. The exalted status of the knowledge and power of the awliya is referred to in the verse "Those who strive hard in Us, We shall most surely guide them in our Ways" (29:69) and the ahadith "Ittaqullah yu`allimukumullah" [Be aware of Allah, and Allah Himself will teach you], and "Man ya`malu bima ya`lamu yu`allimuhullahu ma lam ya`lam" [Whoso acts according to what he knows, Allah will teach him what he did not know]. The Shaykh Al-Haakim al-Tirmidhi in <> (Ch. 2) describes such striving as a kind of door which leads to nearness to Allah, and Shaykh Abd al-Qadir refers to the knowledge and power that result from it in Discourse 16: "And fear Allah and He will teach you, then He will invest you with the power of controlling the universe with a clear permission which will have no obscurity in it... and He has done this with many of His Prophets and awliya and people especially favored from among the children of Adam." The highest example of such favor is undoubtedly the meeting and true vision of the Prophet (s), which is a reality documented through the relations of the trustworthy from the Companions to the Successors and their Successors down to our day. Some of these relations have been recorded in Suyuti's short treatise "tanweer al-Halak fi imkaan ru'yat al-Nabi wal malak" (The Illumination of Intense Darkness Through the Possibility of Seeing the Prophet and the Angels). The exalted status of the firaasat (another word for vision) of saints is referred to in the hadith: "Ittaqu firaasat al-mu'min fa innahu yara bi noorillah" [Beware the vision of the believer, for he sees with the light of Allah]. Thus it is related that the firaasat of a pious shaykh was at the origin of Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani's decision to take up the study of fiqh (jurisprudence) rather than devote himself exclusively to hadith: "Ibn Hajar said: "He (Muhibb al-Deen al-WaaHidi al-Maaliki) said to me: "Invest some of that energy of yours into fiqh, for I see by way of firaasat that the scholars of this country are going to be depleted, and there will be need of you, so don't indulge yourself." And his word to me helped me greatly, and I still pray for him for that reason, may Allah have mercy on him."" (al-Biqaa`i, "`Unwaan al-zamaan" p. 92.) The possessor of such gifts and powers of vision is in no way exempted from the obligations of religion. The Shareef of the Prophet's Family, the Siddeeq and Ghawth Abu al-Hasan al-Shaadhili al-Maaliki warned: "If your kashf opposes the Book and the Sunna, leave kashf and tell yourself: Allah has guaranteed infallibility to the Book and the Sunna, but He has not guaranteed it for kashf." (al-Taftazani, Madkhalun ila al-tasawwuf p. 240.) The Shaykh al-Akbar, the Renewer of Religion Muhyiddeen Ibn `Arabi said: "Someone in this Community who claims to be able to guide others to Allah, but is remiss in but one rule of the Sacred Law -- even if he manifests miracles that stagger the mind -- ... we do not even turn to look at him, for such a person is not a shaykh, nor is he speaking the truth, for no-one is entrusted with the secrets of Allah Most High save one in whom the ordinances of the Sacred Law are preserved." (Quoted in Nabahani, Jaami` karaamaat al-awliya 1:3) Abd al- Qadir Gilani says the same thing in the "Futooh." And their leader in this is the Sultan of the Knowers of Allah Bayazeed al-Bistami who said: "If you see him fly in the air and walk on water do not be deluded by him, but see how he stands on the orders and the prohibitions." (Quoted in Ibn Taymiyya's Fatawi 11:466.) It is evident from the definition of the term kashf that it refers to a hidden knowledge of a tremendous nature, and that is what Ibn `Arabi meant by saying "the secrets of Allah Most High," as is confirmed by the continuation of the hadith of Abu Hurayra: "The Prophet (s) poured into my breast two large vessels of knowledge: the first one I disseminated among the people; as for the second, were I to disseminate it, they would cut my neck." Bukhari narrates it. In conclusion, it is forbidden to deny the reality of kashf, and its content is sound on condition that it not contradict the Qur'an and the Sunna. It is unfalsifiable and therefore neither obligatorily accepted nor obligatorily rejected, nor can it be obligatory for other than the person directly concerned, i.e. the one disclosed to. He can communicate his disclosure and he may be believed, as many of the pious Imams have done with their contemporaries who benefited from such disclosures. Thus it is related by one of the Imams of hadith whose word lies beyond suspicion, that "it is well-known that he (Imam Nawawi) used to meet with al-Khidr (as)" and converse with him among many other mukaashafaat (al-Sakhaawi, "Tarjimat shaykh al-islam qutb al-awliya Abi Zakariyya al- Nawawi" p. 33). And the Prophet (s) said: "`Alaamat al-mu'min al-taSdeeq": "The mark of the believer is trust." And Allah knows best. May Allah bless my Shaykh and his Shaykh, and raise their rank and that of all the true teachers of the Religion of Muhammad (s). May Allah grant us the meeting of his Prophet (s) in this life before the next life. Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 13:44:30 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24946; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:24:17 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20359; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:59 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20328; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:55 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25218; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:37:41 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls9.asb.com [165.254.128.19]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05780 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211344.IAA05780@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: [4] On kashf (Unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [4] ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) ==================================================== [2/3] Reply on Kashf (Unveiling) Please note: >> Fouad Haddad in and > Brother Akram Safadi in Fouad Haddad (this post) >>The Companions of the Prophet (s) were familiar with such disclosures, >>chief among them the two Shaykhs of Islam, our Masters Abu Bakr (r) and >>`Umar (r). The first announced to his wife that she was pregnant with a >>boy, and the second miraculously saw Sariya and his army in Persia while >>he was in Madina, and he cried out to Sariya and Sariya heard him. > >Did Abu Bakr, `Umar, or any Companion or any Successor ever say >that the recieved any religious knowledge through kashf, like >the sufi-awliya' do? Certainly not. >Then, why confusing the issues? Did `Umar for one second question the dream of the man who came to him with a warning from the Prophet (s)? Or will you say that a dream does not qualify as kashf, or that such a warning does not qualify as "religious knowledge"? [Al-Bayhaqi relates with a sound (sahih) chain: "It is related from Maalik al-daari, `Umar's treasurer, that the people suffered a drought during the successorship of `Umar (r), whereupon a man came to the grave of the Prophet (s) and said: "O Messenger of God, ask (Allah) for rain for your Community, for verily they have (almost) perished (ya rasoolallaah istasqi li ummatika fa innahum halaku)," after which the Prophet (s) appeared to him in a dream and told him: "Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. And tell him: You must be clever, you must be clever! (`alayka bi al-kays al-kays)." The man went and told `Umar and the latter said: "O my Lord, they (the wrongdoers) have not become secure except in what escapes my power (ya rabbi ma aalu illa ma `ajiztu `anhu)!" Ibn Katheer cites it thus in <> (1:91) and so does Ibn Abi Shayba in his <> with a sound (sahih) chain, and Ibn Hajar in <> (2:415) said its chain of transmission is sound (isnaaduhu sahih).] >>And the Prophet (s) said: "In the nations before you were people who >>were inspired other than the Prophets. If there is anyone such as this >>in my Community, it is `Umar ibn al-Khattab." > >The hadith states "muhaddathun" which means "talked to". Why argue about an established meaning which the Prophet (s) himself confirmed with the words "other than the Prophets"? And in his narration Muslim adds: "Ibn Wahb explained "spoken to" as meaning "inspired" (mulhamun)", and this is the majority's opinion according to "Fath al- Bari" 7:62:#3689). Anyway, "spoken to" means "by the angels" (Ibn Hajar). >Anyways, the hadith states, <`Umar.>> The hadith states more accurately: "If there is one of them in my Ummah, `Umar ibn al-Khattab is AMONG THEM (minhum)." It is wrong to think that other Communities had many but this Community only one, as Ibn Hajar stated. What is meant by the hadith is the perfection of the quality of ilhaam (inspiration) in `Umar, not its total lack in other Muslims. >So, how this could be extended to the sufi-awliya'? Or are they as >eligible as `Umar?! This is extended to the awliya by way of correct inference, just as Nawawi did in his <>: "The scholars have differed concerning "spoken to" (muhaddathoon). Ibn Wahb said it meant: "inspired" (mulhamoon). It was said also: "Those on the right, and when they give an opinion it is as if they were spoken to, and then they give their opinion. It was said also: the angels speak to them... Bukhari said: "Truth comes from their tongue." There is in this a confirmation of the miracles of saints (wa feehi ithbaatu karaamaat al-awliya)." (Kitab 44 Bab 2 #2398) By the way, we both know that there is an appropriate way of asking questions related to religion. Shouldn't we try our best to follow that way even when we ask about things we doubt? Perhaps that might give a good example to some of the misguided brothers who are attracted to abusing others. Also, from where did you get the expression "sufi-awliya" which you keep bringing up? >>That kashf is an opening granted by Allah that is completely independent >>of one's own exertion or capacity for learning is clear from the saying >>of Abu Hurayra (r): "The Prophet (s) poured into my breast two large >>vessels of knowledge": he did not say "taught me," which would suppose >>the activity of learning on his part, but "poured into me," which >>indicates a state of passive receptivity. > >You also quoted this hadith latter in your posting: > >>continuation of the hadith of Abu Hurayra: "The Prophet (s) poured into >>my breast two large vessels of knowledge: the first one I disseminated >>among the people; as for the second, were I to disseminate it, they >>would cut my neck." Bukhari narrates it. > >In al-Bukhari's "al-Sahih" (with Fath al-Bari, 1:216:#120), the hadith >states, <wi`a'ayn. . .>> <of Allah, may Allah bless him and give him peace, two vessels. . .>> > >What Arabic text you used for your translation upon which you based >your interpretions? Where is it recorded by al-Bukhari?!! You are right and I stand corrected. I was quoting from memory, and I was making a point based on a paraphrase. However, the point remains that knowledge was "poured" into Abu Hurayra, since he used the term "wi`aa'ayn" which means "two large vessels." The only way to place something inside a vessel is to pour it into it. You cannot "teach water" to a vessel. [deleted] >>Many sayings of the Prophet (s) mention the various types and ranks of >>the saints, as Suyuti has shown in his collection of them in his >>article: <>nujabaa' wa al-abdaal>> or "The Reported Matter That Indicates the >>Existence of the Pole, the Pillars, the Leaders, and the Substitutes (of >>the Awliya)." > >Isn't time yet to care about authenticity of hadith-s? >One must not say "sayings of the Prophet", may Allah bless him and >his House and give them peace, unless they are reported in authentic >hadith-s. >Most of those hadith-s in al-Suyuti's article are weak. None of them is >free from criticism of its authenticity. This is at least the second time you call into question the competence of Suyuti in hadith without proof nor authority. Don't you feel shame from openly presuming to correct a hafiz (hadith master) when -from what you told me- you don't even have ijaza as a hadith scholar? Last October, during your onslaught on <> I cited the hadith: "Whoever names his son Muhammad out of love for me and seeking blessing, he and his son shall be in Paradise." I mentioned that Suyuti said: "Its chain for me has the grade of fair (hasan)." Do you remember your reaction at that time? You disagreed with him without even bothering to present your proofs. Or do you think that one is obliged to provide proof only when he says a hadith is strong, but not when he claims it is weak? To go back to your words about the present article of Suyuti, you say: "Most of those hadith-s in al-Suyuti's article are weak. None of them is free from criticism of its authenticity." This is another quick and false judgment on your part. Suyuti says: 1. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal says in his Musnad (1:112)... "The people of Syria were mentioned in front of Ali ibn Abi Talib while he was in Iraq, and they said: "Curse them, O Commander of the Believers." He replied: "No, I heard the Messenger of Allah (s) say: "The Substitutes (al-abdal) are in Syria and they are forty men, every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another in his place. By means of them Allah brings down the rain, gives (Muslims) victory over their enemies, and averts punishment from the people of Syria.""" The men in its chains are all those of the sahih except for Shareeh ibn `Ubayd, and he is trustworthy (thiqa). 2. Ali said: "Do not curse the people of Syria, for among them are the Substitutes, but curse their injustice." Hakim says it is sahih, and Dhahabi confirmed him. [Note: Any religious knowledge unattainable through ijtihad and authentically conveyed from one of the Companions is considered a hadith.] 3. Tabarani said in <>: Anas said: The Prophet (s) said: "The earth will never lack forty men similar to the Friend of the Merciful [Ibrahim a.s.], and through them people (Muslims) receive rain and are given victory (over their enemies). None of them dies except Allah substitutes another in his place." Qatada said: "We do not doubt that al- Hasan [al-Basri] is one of them." Haythami said in <>: "Its chain is fair (hasan)."... [Ibn Hibbaan narrates it in <> through Abu Hurayra as: "The earth will never lack forty men similar to Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful, and through you (Muslims) are helped, receive your sustenance, and receive rain."] 4. Imam Ahmad said in the "Musnad" (5:322)...: "The Prophet (s) said: "The Substitutes in this Community are thirty like Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful. Every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another one in his place." Hakeem Tirmidhi cites it in <> and al- Khallal in <>. Its men are those of the saheeh except Abd al-Waahid, whowas declared trustworthy by al-`Ijli and Abu Zar`a. 5. Abu Dawood said in his <> (English #4273): Umm Salama the wife of the Prophet (s) said: "Disagreement will occur at the death of a Caliph and a man of the people of Madina will come forth flying to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Mecca and Madina, and when the people see that, the Substitutes (abdaal) of Syria and the best people (`asaba) of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance to him..." Imam Ahmad cited the hadith in his "Musnad" (6:316), Ibn Abi Shayba in his Musannaf, also Abu Ya`la, al-Hakim, and Bayhaqi. Isn't it time to stop casting aspersions on the veracity of the ahadith which do not suit what we construe as correct belief? Isn't time also to stop pretending that we can correct the great hadith masters by double-guessing their ability to authenticate ahadith? It is obligatory to believe that the abdaal exist and that they are among the religious leaders of the Community concerning whom there is no doubt among Muslims. Ibn Taymiyya writes at the end of the "`Aqeeda waasitiyya" (p. 36): "The true adherents of Islam in its pristine purity are Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at. In their ranks the truthful saints, the martyrs, and the righteous are to be found. Among them are the great men of guidance and illumination, of recorded integrity and celebrated virtue. The Substitutes (abdal) and the Imams of religion are to be found among them and the Muslims are in full accord concerning their guidance. These are the Victorious Group about whom the Prophet said: "A group within my Community manifestly continues to be in the truth. Neither those who oppose them nor those who abandon them can do them harm, from now on until the Day of Resurrection."" End of [2/3] Reply on Kashf (Unveiling). Please go to [3/3]. ___________________________ f_haddad@unix.asb.com Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 13:45:08 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25844; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:25:23 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20167; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:42:44 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20149; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:42:42 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25516; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:38:14 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls9.asb.com [165.254.128.19]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05815 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:45:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:45:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211345.IAA05815@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: [6] On kashf (Unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [6] ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) ==================================================== as-salamu alaykum, An addendum to my 3-part reply on kashf (unveiling), concerning the following lines by Brother Akram Safadi in his post : >The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and his House and give >them peace, has conveyed_all_the Message. No secrets. Ibn al-Jawzi relates in the chapter entitled "Layer 6 of the People of Madina" of his book <> (Beirut, 1989) 1:2:120: Abu Mus`ab said: I went in to see Malik ibn Anas. He said to me: Look under my place of prayer or prayer-mat and see what is there. I looked and I found a certain writing. He said: Read it. (I saw that) it contained (the account of) a dream which one of his brothers had seen and which concerned him. He said (reciting what was written): "I saw the Prophet (s) in my sleep. He was in his mosque and the people were gathered around him, and he said: I HAVE HIDDEN FOR YOU UNDER MY PULPIT (minbar) SOMETHING GOOD -or: KNOWLEDGE- AND I HAVE ORDERED MALIK TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE PEOPLE." Then he wept, so I got up and left him. Observe the attitude of the awliya (saints) towards the meeting with the Prophet (s) in dream and their belief both in the general credibility of such dreams and their particular contents. This one explicitly states that the Prophet (s) *has* kept something good hidden for his Umma, and that he *continues to give it* through one of the greatly learned after his time. This is confirmed by the hadith: "al-`ulama warathatu al-anbiya" (The knowers are the inheritors of the Prophets) [Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Maja, Ibn Hibban, Darimi]. This is regardless of the fact that the Prophet has conveyed all the Message. May Allah give us the share of that hidden inheritance allotted for us. Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 13:44:07 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25731; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:25:12 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20343; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:57 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20300; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:51 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25049; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:37:16 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls9.asb.com [165.254.128.19]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05762 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211344.IAA05762@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: [3] On kashf (Unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [3] ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) ==================================================== [1/3] Reply on Kashf (Unveiling) as-salamu `alaykum, Please note: >> Fouad Haddad in and > Brother Akram Safadi in Fouad Haddad (this post) >Re[1] on Kashf (Unveiling): illegitimate way of religious knowledge >al-salamu `alaykum, > >Brother Fouad Haddad wrote : >>ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) >[deleted] >>Kashf (Unveiling) is a reality which refers to the miraculous knowledge >>of the awliya (Friends of Allah). > >Is this according to the criteria of the Qur'an, the authentic Hadith, or the >Arabic language?! >Notice how instead of considering it as a knowledge that Allah may >inform whomever He wills of it, here it is considered as a "miraculous >knowledge of the awliya" as if they have some kind of power by >which they unveil things. The reality of kashf is established in the sharee`a, as is stated in Haythami's fatwa on the subject and Nawawi's fatwa before him (Fatawa hadeethiyya 311-313). And Ibn Taymiyya says: "Faqad thabata anna li awliya Allahi mukhaaTabaatun wa mukaashafaat" (al-furqaan p. 52): "It is established that the awliya possess spiritual communications and unveilings." I had mentioned the entire previous paragraph in my original post, but for some reason you chose not to reproduce it in your reply although it addresses your question. >>Such knowledge attains higher levels >>than that of any other knowledge of humankind and jinn including in >>certain cases the knowledge of Prophets, such as Moosa (as) with >>al-Khidr (as), who is described in the Qur'an as "one of Our slaves, unto >>whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our >>presence" (18:66). Such knowledge is also described as "the knowledge >>of the Book" and may take the form of mastery over time and space >>(27:40). > >I will present soon, Allah willing, a hadith which proves that al-Khadir >was a prophet, and the discussions of al-Qurtubi and Ibn Hajar on the >prophethood of al-Khadir. Allah states (27:40): "One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: I will bring it thee (O Sulayman) before thy gaze returneth unto thee..." and this is Prophet Sulayman's scribe Asif ibn Barkhya according to Tafseer Ibn `Abbas and the majority of the scholars, i.e. a non-Prophet human being: """One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture": an angel... or Jibreel (as)... or al-Khidr or Asif ibn Barkhya Sulayman's scribe, which is the most correct, and the jumhoor (majority) agrees upon it..." Nasafi, <> 27:40. >Anyways, there is evidence in the Qur'an and the authentic Hadith about >al-Khadir, and thus we accept his truthfulness. We also trust any person >that Allah or His Messenger ordered us to trust. As for those claimed >awliya', there is no specific evidence about them from Allah Most High >or His Messenger, may Allah bless him and his House and give them >peace. "The Friends of Allah and the Righteous are THE VERY PURPOSE OF ALL THAT EXISTS (al-awliya wa al-salihoon hum al-maqsood min al-kawn), they are those who learnt and practiced with the reality of knowledge" (p. 17) and "Those who practice what they know, do with little in the world, seek the next world, remain ready to leave from one to the other with wakeful eyes and good provision, as opposed to those renowned purely for their knowledge but not for shunning the world and practicing devotion" (p. 13): Ibn al-Jawzi, introduction to his <> (Beirut ed. 1989/1409). And Allah said: "O those who have believed! Be God-wary and stay with the truthful!" (9:119) and "Who comes against one of my walis, I declare war upon him!" (Bukhari). The Prophet said: "There are some among Allah's servants who, when they swear by Allah, He vindicates them" (Bukhari and Muslim). >> The Qur'an extols the rank of the awliya with the affirmation: >>"Lo! Verily the friends of Allah are those on whom fear cometh not, nor >>do they grieve" (10:62). > >Then Allah says, {[10:63] Those who believe and do have taqwah (be >godfearing/righteous).} >That is the true scale for_all_Muslims according to their level of Iman >(Faith) and Taqwah. Then, it becomes clear that most many whom >certain groups claim to be awliya' are indeed deficient according >to the scale of Allah Most High. Allah said: "Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful." (2:111). >>The Prophet (s) said: "The true vision is one-fortysixth part of >>prophecy." The Imam of the Sunna and of Tasawwuf, the Ghawth (Arch- >>Helper) of Mankind Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Gilani -- may Allah sanctify his >>secret -- said (Discourse 9 of <>): "To awliya and abdal >>(Substitutes) are disclosed such workings of Allah as in the course of >>kashf and mushahada (vision) as overwhelm the reasoning power of man and >>shatter into pieces all habits and customs." > >As for "The Imam of the Sunna and of Tasawwuf": >Can someone whose books are loaded with inauthentic hadith-s be >Imam of the Sunnah?! Not only that but the Shaykh of the Imams of the Sunnah as well, as Ibn Taymiyya showed by calling Abd al-Qadir "our shaykh" (shaykhuna) in his 100-page commentary on the latter's treatise <> in <> (10:455-548 of the first Riyadh edition), a title which he never gives anyone else in his entire works, just as he never gives the title "our imam" (imamuna), to other than Ahmad ibn Hanbal. I mentioned this in my post entitled "Ibn Taymiyya on <>." > But, that does not neccessarily disqualify him >from being Imam of Sufism. If only because he was a pious Muslim and the grandson of the Prophet (s), shouldn't taqwa prohibit you from casting such barbs at Shaykh Abd al-Qadir? >As for "Ghawth (Arch-Helper) of Mankind": >Why these innovated illegitimate titles? >"of Mankind"! >We seek refuge in Allah from all kinds of shirk (association with Allah) >no matter how small whether in beliefs, worship, or even just words. "Allah, Allah is my Lord nor do I associate with him anything!" (Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah). 1. Bukhari narrates in his Sahih that our mother Hajar, when she was running in search of water between Safa and Marwa, heard a voice and said: "O you whose voice you have made me hear! If there is a ghawth (help/helper) with you (then help me)!" and an angel appeared at the spot of the spring of Zamzam. 2. Abu Ya`la, Ibn al-Sani, and Tabarani in <> narrated that the Prophet (s) said: "If one of you loses something or seeks help or a helper (ghawth), and he is in a land where there is no-one to befriend (anees), let him say: "O servants of Allah, help me! (ya `ibaad Allah, agheethooni), for verily Allah has servants whom he does not see." Haythami said in <> (10:132): "The men in its chain of transmission have been declared reliable despite weakness in one of them." 3. Ahmad relates in his Musnad (4:217) that at the time of the greatest fitna of al-dajjal, when the Muslims will be at their weakest point and just before `Isa ibn Maryam descends at the time of salat al-fajr, people will hear a caller calling out three times: "O people, al-ghawth (the helper) has come to you!" >>These phenomena fall under >>the category of khawaariq (extraordinary matters) to which belong the >>karaamaat, the "gifts" or miracles of saints, belief in which is an >>obligation of each and every person in Islam. (The sect of the Mu`tazila >>did not believe in the miracles of the saints, and some today even say >>that the awliya are not known!) > >It is Allah who does honor whomever He chooses by whatever and >whenever. Even the prophets do not have any control over that, let >alone other persons. Who said otherwise? Again the point is: the miracles of the saints are a reality and we believe in it, period. Only those with weak or no belief find argument with that. Subhan Allah, since you are admitting here that there are awliya when you say "Allah honors whomever He chooses," how then can you possibly question or deny that about Abd al-Qadir or anyone else with any degree of certainty? Therefore do not say: "Claimed awliya" about what you do not know; rather keep <> about those whom many knowledgeable and non-knowledgeable Muslims agree are superlatively pious and blessed, which is the meaning of wali. >The sufi-doctrine of "miracles of saints" claims that the awliya' have >control over it. Of course they say by Allah's will. >(Also, the sect of the Shi`ah believe in that!) What "sufi-doctrine"? Don't you have control over your fingers to make them type your words precisely, by Allah's permission? Does such control make you a "sufi-doctor"? Subhan Allah, calling one of the basic beliefs of Ahl al-Sunna "a sufi- doctrine of "miracles of saints"" and misrepresenting it as a Shi`a doctrine!! This is a grave lie which you have said. "ANOTHER OF THE PRINCIPLES (usool) OF AHL AL-SUNNAT IS THE BELIEF (tasdeeq) IN THE MIRACLES (karamat) OF THE AWLIYA, AND IN WHATEVER ALLAH CAUSES TO HAPPEN AT THEIR HANDS OF THE SUSPENSION OF THE LAWS OF NATURE (wa ma yujrillaah `ala aydeehim min khawaariq al-`aadaat) IN ALL KINDS OF KNOWLEDGE AND SPIRITUAL UNVEILINGS (fi anwaa` al-`uloom wa al-mukaashafaat), AND ALL KINDS OF POWERS AND INFLUENCES (wa anwaa` al-qudra wa al-ta'theeraat) such as reported concerning the ancient Communities, (for example) in al-kahf and others, and as reported from the early beginnings of this Community regarding the Companions and the Followers and from every generation of Muslims after that, AND THESE MIRACLES WILL NOT CEASE TO TAKE PLACE IN THIS COMMUNITY UNTIL THE DAY OF RESURRECTION (wa hiya mawjoodatun feeha ila yawm al-qiyamat)." Ibn Taymiyya, <> (Cairo: al-matba`a al-salafiyya, 1346) p. 33-34. Now, are you placing Ibn Taymiyya among those who hold the beliefs of "the sect of the shi`a"?? Or do you still claim that belief in the miracles of saints is a "sufi-doctrine"? Or do you still say that the "claims that the awliya' have control over it. Of course they say by Allah's will" is what the Shi`a believe but not the Sunni?? Or is Ibn Taymiyya using kashf to attain the above conclusions?? End of [1/3] Reply on Kashf (Unveiling). Please go to [2/3]. ___________________________ f_haddad@unix.asb.com Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 13:43:42 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01885; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:34:29 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20364; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:00 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id IAA20346; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:56 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24910; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:36:53 -0500 Received: from asb19 (sls9.asb.com [165.254.128.19]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05748 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:43:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211343.IAA05748@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: [2] On kashf (Unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [2] ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) ==================================================== --Forwarded post-- Hdate: Monday 11 Rajab 1416 A.H. Number: msa/04Dec95/20170 Bismillah Walhamdulillah Was Salaatu Was Salaam 'ala Rasulillah 3.December.1995 Re[1] on Kashf (Unveiling): illegitimate way of religious knowledge al-salamu `alaykum, Brother Fouad Haddad wrote : >ON KASHF AND MUKAASHAFAAT (Spiritual Unveilings) [deleted] >Kashf (Unveiling) is a reality which refers to the miraculous knowledge >of the awliya (Friends of Allah). Is this according to the criteria of the Qur'an, the authentic Hadith, or the Arabic language?! Notice how instead of considering it as a knowledge that Allah may inform whomever He wills of it, here it is considered as a "miraculous knowledge of the awliya" as if they have some kind of power by which they unveil things. >Such knowledge attains higher levels >than that of any other knowledge of humankind and jinn including in >certain cases the knowledge of Prophets, such as Moosa (as) with >al-Khidr (as), who is described in the Qur'an as "one of Our slaves, unto >whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our >presence" (18:66). Such knowledge is also described as "the knowledge >of the Book" and may take the form of mastery over time and space >(27:40). I will present soon, Allah willing, a hadith which proves that al-Khadir was a prophet, and the discussions of al-Qurtubi and Ibn Hajar on the prophethood of al-Khadir. Anyways, there is evidence in the Qur'an and the authentic Hadith about al-Khadir, and thus we accept his truthfulness. We also trust any person that Allah or His Messenger ordered us to trust. As for those claimed awliya', there is no specific evidence about them from Allah Most High or His Messenger, may Allah bless him and his House and give them peace. > The Qur'an extols the rank of the awliya with the affirmation: >"Lo! Verily the friends of Allah are those on whom fear cometh not, nor >do they grieve" (10:62). Then Allah says, {[10:63] Those who believe and do have taqwah (be godfearing/righteous).} That is the true scale for_all_Muslims according to their level of Iman (Faith) and Taqwah. Then, it becomes clear that most many whom certain groups claim to be awliya' are indeed deficient according to the scale of Allah Most High. >The Prophet (s) said: "The true vision is one-fortysixth part of >prophecy." The Imam of the Sunna and of Tasawwuf, the Ghawth (Arch- >Helper) of Mankind Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Gilani -- may Allah sanctify his >secret -- said (Discourse 9 of <>): "To awliya and abdal >(Substitutes) are disclosed such workings of Allah as in the course of >kashf and mushahada (vision) as overwhelm the reasoning power of man and >shatter into pieces all habits and customs." As for "The Imam of the Sunna and of Tasawwuf": Can someone whose books are loaded with inauthentic hadith-s be Imam of the Sunnah?! But, that does not neccessarily disqualify him from being Imam of Sufism. As for "Ghawth (Arch-Helper) of Mankind": Why these innovated illegitimate titles? "of Mankind"! We seek refuge in Allah from all kinds of shirk (association with Allah) no matter how small whether in beliefs, worship, or even just words. >These phenomena fall under >the category of khawaariq (extraordinary matters) to which belong the >karaamaat, the "gifts" or miracles of saints, belief in which is an >obligation of each and every person in Islam. (The sect of the Mu`tazila >did not believe in the miracles of the saints, and some today even say >that the awliya are not known!) It is Allah who does honor whomever He chooses by whatever and whenever. Even the prophets do not have any control over that, let alone other persons. The sufi-doctrine of "miracles of saints" claims that the awliya' have control over it. Of course they say by Allah's will. (Also, the sect of the Shi`ah believe in that!) >The Companions of the Prophet (s) were familiar with such disclosures, >chief among them the two Shaykhs of Islam, our Masters Abu Bakr (r) and >`Umar (r). The first announced to his wife that she was pregnant with a >boy, and the second miraculously saw Sariya and his army in Persia while >he was in Madina, and he cried out to Sariya and Sariya heard him. Did Abu Bakr, `Umar, or any Companion or any Successor ever say that the recieved any religious knowledge through kashf, like the sufi-awliya' do? Certainly not. Then, why confusing the issues? >And the Prophet (s) said: "In the nations before you were people who >were inspired other than the Prophets. If there is anyone such as this >in my Community, it is `Umar ibn al-Khattab." The hadith states "muhaddathun" which means "talked to". Anyways, the hadith states, <> So, how this could be extended to the sufi-awliya'? Or are they as eligible as `Umar?! >That kashf is an opening granted by Allah that is completely independent >of one's own exertion or capacity for learning is clear from the saying >of Abu Hurayra (r): "The Prophet (s) poured into my breast two large >vessels of knowledge": he did not say "taught me," which would suppose >the activity of learning on his part, but "poured into me," which >indicates a state of passive receptivity. You also quoted this hadith latter in your posting: >continuation of the hadith of Abu Hurayra: "The Prophet (s) poured into >my breast two large vessels of knowledge: the first one I disseminated >among the people; as for the second, were I to disseminate it, they >would cut my neck." Bukhari narrates it. In al-Bukhari's "al-Sahih" (with Fath al-Bari, 1:216:#120), the hadith states, <> <> What Arabic text you used for your translation upon which you based your interpretions? Where is it recorded by al-Bukhari?!! NOTE for those interested in_studying_the transmission of this hadith, please see: 1. Ibn Hajar, Fath al-Bari (1:216:#120). 2. Ibn Hajar, Hady al-Sari (p. 391 -- on Isma`il ibn Abi 'Uways). 3. al-Mizzi, Tahdhib al-kamal (3:124:#459 Isma`il ibn Abi 'Uways). [deleted] >Many sayings of the Prophet (s) mention the various types and ranks of >the saints, as Suyuti has shown in his collection of them in his >article: <nujabaa' wa al-abdaal>> or "The Reported Matter That Indicates the >Existence of the Pole, the Pillars, the Leaders, and the Substitutes (of >the Awliya)." Isn't time yet to care about authenticity of hadith-s? One must not say "sayings of the Prophet", may Allah bless him and his House and give them peace, unless they are reported in authentic hadith-s. Most of those hadith-s in al-Suyuti's article are weak. None of them is free from criticism of its authenticity. [deleted] > and Shaykh >Abd al-Qadir refers to the knowledge and power that result from it in >Discourse 16: "And fear Allah and He will teach you, then He will invest >you with the power of controlling the universe with a clear permission >which will have no obscurity in it... and He has done this with many of >His Prophets and awliya and people especially favored from among the >children of Adam." Finally, here is the "power of controlling the universe" {Say: bring your proof if you are truthful}! Allah Most High says in the Qur'an (7:188), {Say [O the Prophet]: I have no power to benefit myself nor to harm it, except that which Allah wills. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I would have acquired much good (al-khayr), and adversity (al-su') would not have touched me. . .} Yet these claimed awliya' calim "power of controlling the universe"! [deleted] >The possessor of such gifts and powers of vision is in no way exempted >from the obligations of religion. Is this a quesionable issue to start with? or is it within some groups? >The Shareef of the Prophet's Family, >the Siddeeq and Ghawth Abu al-Hasan al-Shaadhili al-Maaliki warned: "If >your kashf opposes the Book and the Sunna, leave kashf and tell >yourself: Allah has guaranteed infallibility to the Book and the Sunna, >but He has not guaranteed it for kashf." (al-Taftazani, Madkhalun ila >al-tasawwuf p. 240.) Yet another "Ghawth" (Arch-Helper as you translated it)! Is there any valid evidence for the sufi-doctrine of the Ghawth? Also, if I may ask, is there a Ghawth in our times? Doesn't this saying of al-Shadhili, and similar sayings which is common in sufi-works, prove that it was quesionable issue among their followers, or at least some of them? >The Shaykh al-Akbar, the Renewer of Religion >Muhyiddeen Ibn `Arabi said: "Someone in this Community who claims to be >able to guide others to Allah, but is remiss in but one rule of the >Sacred Law -- even if he manifests miracles that stagger the mind -- ... >we do not even turn to look at him, for such a person is not a shaykh, >nor is he speaking the truth, for no-one is entrusted with the secrets >of Allah Most High save one in whom the ordinances of the Sacred Law are >preserved." (Quoted in Nabahani, Jaami` karaamaat al-awliya 1:3) "The Shaykh al-Akbar, the Renewer of Religion" The Greatest shaykh! Please, at least say the Greatest Shaykh of the sufis. Renewer of Religion! Can someone whose books contain much clear heresy and even disbelief be "Renewer of Religion"?! >Abd al-Qadir Gilani says the same thing in the "Futooh." And their leader >in this is the Sultan of the Knowers of Allah Bayazeed al-Bistami who >said: "If you see him fly in the air and walk on water do not be deluded by >him, but see how he stands on the orders and the prohibitions." (Quoted >in Ibn Taymiyya's Fatawi 11:466.) "the Sultan of the Knowers of Allah" Is it because he used to claim, "My heart told me from my Lord"? >It is evident from the definition of the term kashf that it refers to a >hidden knowledge of a tremendous nature, and that is what Ibn `Arabi >meant by saying "the secrets of Allah Most High," as is confirmed by the >continuation of the hadith of Abu Hurayra: "The Prophet (s) poured into >my breast two large vessels of knowledge: the first one I disseminated >among the people; as for the second, were I to disseminate it, they >would cut my neck." Bukhari narrates it. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and his House and give them peace, has conveyed_all_the Message. No secrets. The believers know that the religion is to be taken from Allah and His Messenger, may Allah bless him and his House and give them peace. They know that any religious teaching can not be valid unless it is correctly based on the Qur'an or the authentic Hadith. >In conclusion, it is forbidden to deny the reality of kashf, and its >content is sound on condition that it not contradict the Qur'an and the >Sunna. It is unfalsifiable and therefore neither obligatorily accepted >nor obligatorily rejected, nor can it be obligatory for other than the >person directly concerned, i.e. the one disclosed to. "nor can it be obligatory for other than . . ." How about the person himself, is it obligatory for him to accept it? >He can communicate >his disclosure and he may be believed, as many of the pious Imams have >done with their contemporaries who benefited from such disclosures. Did any Imam of Shari`ah accept such kashf from anyone as religious knowledge? [deleted] >Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. >Fouad Haddad >Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at Please, to avoid confusion, can you answer these questions clearly: 1.Is kashf a legitimate way to recieve_any_knowledge of the Din (religion) of Islam? 2. Can the awliya' recieve knowledge of the Din from Allah through kashf, such as knowledge about names/attributes of Allah? 3. Can the awliya' recieve knowledge of the Din from the Prophet through kashf, such as whether a hadith is authentic or not? And Allah knows best, and success is truly from Allah Most High. wa al-salamu `alaykum, A k r a m Y S a f a d i Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, USA. ___________________________ a-safadi@nwu.edu ----end of forwarded post--- Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 16:06:57 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11610; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:44:58 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA12851; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:07:03 -0500 Received: from relay6.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA12829; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:06:59 -0500 From: ASHA101@aol.com Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadwy03541; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07600 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:06:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:06:57 -0500 Message-Id: <960221110657_428025334@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: [1] On kashf (Unveiling) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Fouad; You have been asked before not to send multiple publications of your teachers work. 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Ahmad" Subject: need help with explanation Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Tariqas members, I am asking this in a humble and respectful way. Could someone offer me an explanation, discription, message and difference between Sunnis, Shiaas Naqshbandis, haqqanis, Hanafees, waabis, Ahmedies and any others I didn't mention. Excuse me if i misspelled any. I know the basic differences with some but just wanted an indepth view if anyone can offer it. If you feel it's not a Tariqas topic, please e-mail privately. Thank You Kaleem From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 06:22:37 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26325; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:50:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA02389; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:22:46 -0500 Received: from bbs.cruzio.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA02384; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:22:43 -0500 Received: from pine196.cruzio.com by bbs.cruzio.com id aa20357; 21 Feb 96 22:16 PST X-Sender: dances@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:22:37 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: james hallam Subject: Re: need help with explanation Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Dear Tariqas members, >I am asking this in a humble and respectful way. Could someone offer me an >explanation, discription, message and difference between Sunnis, Shiaas >Naqshbandis, haqqanis, Hanafees, waabis, Ahmedies and any others I didn't >mention. Excuse me if i misspelled any. I know the basic differences with >some but just wanted an indepth view if anyone can offer it. >If you feel it's not a Tariqas topic, please e-mail privately. >Thank You >Kaleem > > >.- I also wish to, insh'allah, to hear publicly such an explanation. Have been enjoying many fine posts! james hallam nimatullahi sufi order !@#$%^&*James Hallam*&^%$#@! UNIVERSAL TRAVELING WORKSHOP ******(408)(425)(3163)****** If your thought is a rose then you will be the rosegarden From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 06:49:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03728; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:16:23 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA05184; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:51:42 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA05174; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:51:39 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26213; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:49:59 -0500 Received: from i35.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tpUqb-000FbrC; Wed, 21 Feb 96 22:49 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 22:49 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Al Fattah Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: FATTAH Seven times Seventy Al Fattah Your word is the Key which Opens the Heart closed with fear Your Word Al Fatah Opens all gates locked in my mind and hidden by my heart There is nothing unavailable to the servants of Allah Al Fattah Al Fattah Al Fattah Your Nmaes and Your Names alone are the Key to the Heart You create and in this heart my sisters and my brothers lie a treasure of all the worlds You have set in motion Not one of these universes Not all of these universes could hold the immensity of Your Presence my Lord and yet in between the beat of a heart of a baby is a space I am told You could snuggle within and seem to fit quite nicely Al Fattah Al Fattah! Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 10:14:25 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20882; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:39:59 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA12709; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:20:48 -0500 Received: from uctmail.uct.ac.za by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id DAA12686; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:20:42 -0500 Received: by uctmail.uct.ac.za (Smail3.1.29.1 #15) id m0tpWF0-00006UC; Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:19 SAT Message-Id: Received: by uctmail.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.13) id 9146 from CHEMPATH; Thu Feb 22 10:19:05 1996 From: "Abduraman Mohamed res asst" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:14:25 UTC-2 Subject: Re:Br.Fouad Haddad's postings Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As Salaam Mu Alaikum, It has been a while now that I have followed Br.Fouad's postings on Dhikr, Unveiling etc and I have followed and collected these postings regularly. I wish to thank Br. Fouad for these postings, which is very informative and interesting. May Allah(SWT) bless you. Shukran Was Salaam Mu Alaikum Abduraman  Abduraman Mohamed Dept. Chemical Pathology Falmouth Building Medical School University of Cape Town Anzio Road Obsevatory 7925 Rep. of South Africa Tel: (021)-4066176 (w) (021)-4614436 (h) fax: (021)-4066158  THE POWER OF THE MIND IS INFINITE    From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 20:36:05 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21540; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:41:11 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA26246; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:18:51 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA26232; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:18:46 -0500 Received: from asb18 (sls8.asb.com [165.254.128.18]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15085 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:36:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:36:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199602212036.PAA15085@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Re: [1] On kashf (Unveiling) X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Asha, This is not my teachers' work but a synthesis followed by an exchange that took place between myself and someone else who is opposed to kashf. Kashf or the unveiling of the heart to the vision of God is the heart and essence of sufism. I hope and pray that most on this list do not consider these posts mere proselytizing. Consider them my poems and forgive me if on some days I am inspired to share more than on others. Regards, Fouad >Dear Fouad; > You have been asked before not to send multiple publications of your >teachers work. One a day is more than enough prostelatizing. Does your path >not recognize thoughtfulness? > Asha > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Feb 21 21:26:38 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01916; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:01:00 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA07667; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:27:03 -0500 Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA07538; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:26:40 -0500 Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA06424; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:26:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:26:38 +1100 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: [1] On kashf (Unveiling) In-Reply-To: <960221110657_428025334@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 ASHA101@aol.com wrote: > Dear Fouad; > You have been asked before not to send multiple publications of your > teachers work. One a day is more than enough prostelatizing. Does your path > not recognize thoughtfulness? > Asha Assalamu alaikum, To my understanding, this is not his teacher's work, this is Br. Fouad's _own_ work. I think we are fortunate to have one of his knowledge here online with us. But let's not go through that debate again.... Actually, I find it easier to read this kind of thing from the world wide web, are these writings also available at a web site? Just because we ourselves don't have the knowledge to compile such a compilation of references, we shouldn't assume that _all_ of us online don't have this knowledge. I myself don't have this knowledge; my knowledge is really less than a single molecule in a single drop in all the oceans of possible knowledge. Wassalam, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 15:44:03 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15280; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:35:11 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA18379; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:45:05 -0500 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA18358; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:45:00 -0500 Received: from venus by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:44:11 GMT Received: from deneb by venus id ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:44:09 GMT Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:44:03 +0000 (GMT) From: L J Fatoohi To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Impurity of Dog In-Reply-To: <199602101840.SAA75210@venere.inet.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu 'Alaykum, This is a rather late reply, sorry for that. On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Domenico Paterna wrote: > Can someone explain to me why the dog is impure and whath are the sources > (Hadith?) for this impurity? From Sahih Al-Bukhari (collection of hadiths) ------- 1.173: ------- Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "If a dog drinks from the utensil of anyone of you it is essential to wash it seven times." ------- 3.515: ------- Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting." ------- 3.551: ------- Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "While a man was walking he felt thirsty and went down a well and drank water from it. On coming out of it, he saw a dog panting and eating mud because of excessive thirst. The man said, 'This (dog) is suffering from the same problem as that of mine. So he (went down the well), filled his shoe with water, caught hold of it with his teeth and climbed up and watered the dog. Allah thanked him for his (good) deed and forgave him." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Is there a reward for us in serving (the) animals?" He replied, "Yes, there is a reward for serving any animate." There are other hadiths as well. Happy 'Eid and blessed Ramadhan to everybody. Louay From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 16:36:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18965; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:24:59 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA26516; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:44:43 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA26496; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:44:39 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16692; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:36:56 -0500 Received: from Trial.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tpe0O-000FahC; Thu, 22 Feb 96 08:36 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 08:36 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Alim Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: ALIM When You asked, "Where art Thou Hiding Adam", the foolish heard a question the insightful an invitation I know this because I was told by an old wise Hasid from Lubavitch the invitation was that my parents and I might look to see how far in life we have strayed, where are we going, from whence have we come, so that we may remeber to render our accounts Old ladies anachronistic answers pour forth, the univeristies reek, gurus and bruhos, shamons and sooth sayers, priests, rabbies, and shaykes the exotic formulas of sorcerers, and the restrictions of the fundamentalists are not worth one drop of a dream with which in Your splender you have brought and made real and a reality to this confused and simple being Your Eden left no place to hide the Glory that you are my God and that you live inside this three chambered lantern, this beating heart When you asked "Where art Thou hiding Adam" You spoke to every woman and every man and even every child! Than have Jabriel sound the alarm I pray ! Oh let the trumpet be heard my God for there is nothing to fear but the shadow of shame and time is a fool's illusion. Or if I might be so humble, let the the question resound like a bell so we can wake and know we have never left home. Allah Alim Allah Al Alim, Allah Al Alim, Allah Al Ailm. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 16:42:45 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00951; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:44:26 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA26091; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:42:14 -0500 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA26070; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:42:09 -0500 Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24794; Thu, 22 Feb 96 08:42:03 PST Received: from antares by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 22 Feb 96 8:42:03 PST Received: from kirin.Tymnet.COM by antares.Tymnet.COM (8.6.5/UCB) id IAA01665; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:42:02 -0800 Received: by kirin.Tymnet.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09442; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:42:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:42:45 -0800 From: mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM (Michael J. Moore) Message-Id: <9602221642.AA09442@kirin.Tymnet.COM> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: The thoughtfulness of Fouad X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > Dear Fouad; > You have been asked before not to send multiple publications of your > teachers work. One a day is more than enough prostelatizing. Does your path > not recognize thoughtfulness? > Asha > Who has asked this? It was not me. I do not always have time to read all of Fouad's posts but I do make them a priority over poetry. To me, they are not prostelatizing. Each person may encounter content on tariqas lacking in personal value. The only way to avoid this situation would be to have nobody post anything. So, I agree that thoughtfullness should be applied. -Michael- From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 17:13:39 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04454; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:50:56 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA00809; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:13:06 -0500 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id MAA00787; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:13:01 -0500 Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26315; Thu, 22 Feb 96 09:12:58 PST Received: from antares by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 22 Feb 96 9:12:58 PST Received: from kirin.Tymnet.COM by antares.Tymnet.COM (8.6.5/UCB) id JAA01918; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:12:56 -0800 Received: by kirin.Tymnet.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09463; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:13:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:13:39 -0800 From: mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM (Michael J. Moore) Message-Id: <9602221713.AA09463@kirin.Tymnet.COM> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: need help with explanation X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Dear Tariqas members, > >I am asking this in a humble and respectful way. Could someone offer me an > >explanation, discription, message and difference between Sunnis, Shiaas > >Naqshbandis, haqqanis, Hanafees, waabis, Ahmedies and any others I didn't > >mention. Excuse me if i misspelled any. I know the basic differences with > >some but just wanted an indepth view if anyone can offer it. > >If you feel it's not a Tariqas topic, please e-mail privately. > >Thank You > >Kaleem > > > > > >.- > I also wish to, insh'allah, to hear publicly such an explanation. > > Have been enjoying many fine posts! > > james hallam > nimatullahi sufi order Kaleem, You may find that the scope of this question is too broad for most people to want to tackle here on-line. It would take several books to do justice to the subject and I doubt if anybody is up to it. If you live in a large city, the public library may have the information that you are looking for. If not, you may find that people will be more responsive to a more specific question. -Michael- From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 21:16:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03572; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:53:27 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA18340; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:16:58 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA18321; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:16:52 -0500 Received: from Union.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tpiNU-000Ff4C; Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:16 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:16 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: need help with explanation Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Sunnis: "custom of the Prophet" The largest group of Muslims known as "the orthodox", who recognise the first four Caliphs, attribute no soecial religeous or political function to the relatives of the Prophet's son in law Ali, and adhere to one of the four Sunni Schools of Law. Shiism : A branch of Islam comprising 10per cent or less of all Muslims and divided into three principle groups: ithna asharriyyah (the twenlvers ) or those who follow the twelve imams. The Zaydis or those who follow the five imams, and the Ismalies who follow the seven imams. Essentially the Shiites came to being when Abu Bakr was elected as Caliph. The Shiites follow Ali and the term I believe comes from being a partisan or of the party of Ali. Here there is a hugh dispute and I am not comfortable in suggesting that either Ali or Abu Baakr were at all at odds, although I think it might be fare to say that their followers were. (sorry for the confusion). Naqshbandis: A prominaent Sufi Prder fiunded by Muhammed ibn Muhammed Baha ad Din Naqshband of Bukhara. There are two many people of this service to express in much more intelligent ways what this Order is about then what I can either look up for you or speak about. Haqqanis: to get at the kernel or the the Truth or the Reality. I do not believe that Shayke Nazim has his followers refers to themselves as Haqqanis once again someone else will have to answer that for you. Hanafi: One of the four schools of law on the Sunni Tradition. It is dominant in most countrires Waabies I think you mean Wahhabis. A sect dominant in Saudi Arabia. It is steadfastly fundamentalist in its approach. Ahmadiyyah. Another sect founded in re-action to the Christian Missionary Movement - know as the renewer. Islam like all world religeons actually has many diffrent sects. Tariqaus while comprising several orthodxs Muslims is a Sufi Oriented server. This means that the esoteric is valued just as deeply if not more than the exoteric and that what each member can be expected to be about the business of is either relating to and/or seeking the Truth and gifting one another with the rich flavor their own personal yerning song sings. Love your brother. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 23:40:55 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22467; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:50 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA08881; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:41:03 -0500 Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA08853; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:40:57 -0500 Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12752; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:40:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:40:55 +1100 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: need help with explanation In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum, Thanks to Jabriel Hanafi for his explanations! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Jabreil Hanafi wrote: > Sunnis: > "custom of the Prophet" The largest group of Muslims known as "the > orthodox", who recognise the first four Caliphs, attribute no soecial > religeous or political function to the relatives of the Prophet's son in law > Ali, and adhere to one of the four Sunni Schools of Law. Actually, Ali does have a special status, as he was the fourth Caliph in the "first four Caliphs" you mention above. So Ali is highly respected by both the Sunni and the Shi`ah. He is also the person through whom most Sufi tariqas trace their lineage, with the exception of the Naqshbandiyya, who trace their lineage through Abu Bakr and Salman al-Farisi. Wassalam, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Feb 22 20:26:35 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23800; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:23:10 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA19054; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:59:12 -0500 Received: from orange.printronix.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA19049; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:59:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199602230059.TAA19049@europe.std.com> Received: from VMS MAIL by orange.printronix.com (NRC MAIL Version 1.3); 22-FEB-1996 17:04:09 Date: Thu, 22 FEB 96 16:57:53 From: "M.I.S. DEPT" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Saiyidina Ali (may Allah blessed him) X-Vms-To: ORANGE::IPMAIL%"tariqas@facteur.std.com" X-Vms-Cc: NOORDIN Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu Alaikum I am wondering what bro. Farid is implying when he mentioned Sayidina Ali (r.a) has a "special" status amongst the 4 Caliphs. Only the shiites accord him such "special" status whilst the other 3 Caliphs are being denounced and looked down upon. Only the Sunnis accord all the 4 Caliphs with equal honour and respect as what had been done by the prophet himself during his lifetime. The Prophet even named them as amongst the 10 persons who would enter His Paradise. Regards, Noordin Singapore From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 23 00:02:38 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17518; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:12:20 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA06385; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:45:10 -0500 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA06380; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:45:05 -0500 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ap29673; 23 Feb 96 2:49 GMT Received: from mjkhan.demon.co.uk ([158.152.209.217]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13826; 23 Feb 96 0:05 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:02:38 +0000 To: Habeeb Rose From: Mohammed Junaid Khan Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.10 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A Dear Habeeb, For the last 4 weeks I haven't been receiving any postings from the Tariqas Mailing List. I suspect that they are being bounced. Could you, please, check and e-mail me if that is the reason. Otherwise, put my name again on the Mailing List. Regards, Mohammed@mjkhan.demon.co.uk -- Mohammed Junaid Khan From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 23 04:00:07 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19950; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:18:29 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA07203; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:52:27 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA07178; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:52:22 -0500 Received: from asb40 (sls30.asb.com [165.254.128.40]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07787 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:00:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:00:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199602230400.XAA07787@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Thank you for reading... X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: ... I liked this line! :) >The only way to avoid this situation would be to have nobody post anything. Regards Fouad From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 23 03:53:46 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19940; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:18:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA06540; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:46:03 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA06535; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:46:01 -0500 Received: from asb40 (sls30.asb.com [165.254.128.40]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA07509 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:53:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:53:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199602230353.WAA07509@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Re: Impurity of Dog X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank you brother Louay for your reply on this topic. I just wanted to add that Bukhari also has another version of the hadith below, which says that a woman entered Paradise because she had drawn water from a well to relieve a thirsty dog. Fouad > ------- 3.551: ------- > >Narrated Abu Huraira: >Allah's Apostle said, "While a man was walking he felt thirsty and went >down a well and drank water from it. On coming out of it, he saw a dog >panting and eating mud because of excessive thirst. The man said, 'This >(dog) is suffering from the same problem as that of mine. So he (went down >the well), filled his shoe with water, caught hold of it with his teeth and >climbed up and watered the dog. Allah thanked him for his (good) deed and >forgave him." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Is there a reward for us >in serving (the) animals?" He replied, "Yes, there is a reward for serving >any animate." > > > There are other hadiths as well. > > > Happy 'Eid and blessed Ramadhan to everybody. > > >Louay > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Feb 23 04:15:58 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29928; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:35:21 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA08762; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:08:16 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA08750; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:08:12 -0500 Received: from asb40 (sls30.asb.com [165.254.128.40]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA08288 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:15:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:15:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199602230415.XAA08288@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: fhaddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: fhaddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Re: need help with explanation X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: I was daunted by the question but Shaykh Jabriel Hanafi's reply is very complete. With my thanks may I add that in the Malay countries --Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and Southern Thailand -- the vast majority of Muslims if not all follow the Shafi`i madhhab. Fouad