From: inewt@aol.com (I Newt) Newsgroups: alt.pagan Subject: Catalog List (LONG) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 17:28:46 -0600 OK, yes, I disappeared again for a month or so. But hey, I'm back and looky at the cool thing I brought with me! So without further ado... OK, here is Lisa's official list of catalogs. I compiled one of these a couple years ago and Kim Ditto maintained it and posted it every month for me. (Hugz if you're out there, hon!) If anyone has any catalogs to add, please e-mail me the name, address, a brief description, and acceptable methods of payment. Which is roughly how I'll be listing them here. Some catalogs cost $2.00 or $3.00 to order, but your money is usually refunded with your first order. I have some of these catalogs, others I do not, but may be in the process of ordering them. If I know the acceptable methods of payment, I will list it at the end of each entry. Ceci- thanks for the additions and info. Hopefully I can keep it up on a fairly regular basis this time. Happy shopping by mail! Dyandra's Crystal Sands Etc. PO Box 8376 Anaheim, CA 92812 (714) 535-1002 or 4157 Cost: $2. (This is for postage. She usually throws a free incense sample or something.) I decided to start my list with a catalog I give my recommendation to. Dyandra's incense is awesome! She also has books, t-shirts, music, handmade masks, things for the kids, and some fun and unique odds and ends. Her prices are very reasonable. She's just one of us trying to provide a useful service, so don't look here for trendy new agey junk- this is the real thing. Prsnl Check, M.O. *** Shadows Grove P.O. Box 177 Cedar Creek, TX 78612 COST: $2.00 refunded w/order Goddess goblets, calendars, notecards, incense, herbs, oils, music, cauldrons, gem stone wands, hand tuned chimes and gongs, tree spirit brooms, moon and star candle holders, prayer staffs, blue phantom quartz crystals, aromatherapy treasure candles. ?method of payment? *** Nuit Unltd. 249 N. Brand Bl., Suite 482 Glendale, CA 91203 COST: $3.00 $2.00 off coupon toward first order. Free incense w/catalog order. Choose: Amber, Frankincense, Isis, Jasmine, Nuit, Pan, Patchouli, Rose, or Sandalwood. Magically charged charm bags w/oils, incense, herbs, candles, oils from A-Z, magical blends, bath salts, pyramids, tapes, bags, robes, and unique goat skin bottles. *** White Light Pentacles/Sacred Spirit Products P.O. Box 8163 Salem, MA 01971-8163 COST: $3.00 Pentacles in 14K gold & sterling silver; many set w/crystals & gemstones, lots more magickal jewelry, ritual tools, talismans, incense wands, oils, etc... *** Crystal Portal P.O. Box 1934 Dept. NW2 Upper Marlboro, MD 20773 COST: Free "Haunting melodies from a distant time"- many titles, jewelry, magickal accessories. *** Halloran Software P.O. Box 75713 Los Angeles, CA 90075, USA 1-800-SEA-GOAT Fax: (818) 501-5667 Astrology software: "We sell a variety of programs for the IBM PC, from hobbyist-level to professional. Tell us if you use Windows or DOS. For information call or write." *** 7 Sisters of New Orleans 12265 Foothill Blvd. Sylmar, CA 91342 COST: Free Chakras bracelets- 14K gold or sterling silver, incense, oils, books, etc... *** Eden Within P.O. Box 667 Jamestown, NY 14702 COST: $2.00 refundable with first order. Ritual tools, candles, oils, books, robes, talismans, etc... *** Zephyr Services 1900 Murray Ave. Dept. W Pittsburg, PA 15217 1-800-533-6666 Fax: (412) 422-9930 COST: Free New Age software for IBM & compatibles: HoroScopics II, Oracle-East, NumberScope Plus, Bio Data Plus, RuneMaster, PalmReader, TarotMaster, Write n' Tell. Call or write for free catalog. *** Halcyon Herb Company Box 7153L Halcyon, CA 93421 COST: $5.00- cash, M.O., stamps, or checks- receive $5.00 credit on purchase. "A magickal, mystical keepsake. 56 hand drawn pages & photos" Cat.#8 1994" "Crafts of wise women and gentle folk. Mostly hand crafted wares and gifts. Mirrors, clothing, cloaks, staffs, brooms, statues, runes, rattles, oils, jewelry, and more." *** POTO 11002 Massachusetts Ave. Westwood, CA 90025-3510 COST: $5.00 "A very friendly mail order company and so much more! Special orders and questions are always welcome too! Our catalogue features items of interest like: Tools & books of The Craft, jewelry & gifts, networking, New Age, Recovery & rare books too. We offer herbs & just a whole lot of magickal, wonderful items & services for the new seeker and scholars as well!" *** Mystic Moon 8818 Troy St. #G Spring Valley, CA 91977 COST: SASE for small catalog or $1.00 refundable w/order for full catalog and booklet Candles, incense, ritual jewelry and tools, etc... *** Magus Books 1316 SE 4th Street Minneapolis, MN 55414 (612) 379-7669 COST: $2.00 Occult books, incense, oils & supplies. *** Lunatrix P.O. Box 800482-L Santa Clarita, CA 91380-0482 COST: $1.00 Candles, incense, jewelry, ritual tools, cloaks, t-shirts, alter cloths, etc... Check, M.O., Visa, MC *** Hypno Vision/Occult Shop Box 2192 NW Halesite, NY 11743 COST: $3.00 refundable w/order Subliminal videos and audios- 1000 plus New Age-Self Help titles, amulets, talismans, pentacles, crystal balls, robes, crowns, wands. etc... *** Bard Communications P.O. Box 10, Dept. 2N Ballston Spa, NY 12020 COST: $1.00 refundable w/order Photo brochure of entire line of dragons, gargoyles, candle stick holders, and more. *** Bell, Book and Candle 2505 West Berry St. Fort Worth, TX 76109 (817) 924-1535 COST: Free Metaphysical supplies, books, incense, candles, jewelry, Native American arts & crafts, etc... *** Treasures by Faerie Folk P.O. Box 502 Salmon, ID 83467 COST: $2.00 refundable w/order "We handcraft some of the most unique and beautiful goodies you'll ever find. Quality goods at bargain prices and we will customize your items as much as possible to fit your needs. Wands, brooms, candles, gemstone jewelry, home & special occasion decor, children & family items, ritual tools, gifts, and much more." *** Mysteria Products P.O. Box 1147-LCR Arlington, TX 76004 COST: Free Crystals, books, incense, herbs, jewelry, oils, candles, spell kits, stones, talismans, etc... *** Rainbow Serpent Box 237 Williamsport, OH 43164 COST: $2.00 "For your altars: Images of the Goddess from Minoan, Crete, Cyprus, and ancient Greece, sacred sculptures, vases. frescoes, jewelry. Museum quality replicas." *** Gypsy Heaven 115 South Main St. New Hope, PA 18938 (215) 862-5251 COST: $3.00 refundable w/order- M.O.s only! Crystal balls, New Age books, oils, quartz crystals, tarot cards, jewelry, statues, herbs, etc... *** Herbally Yours P.O. Box 612 Kamloops, B.C. V2C 5L7 COST: Free Essential oils, incense, gifts and more. *** Abyss 48-NWL Chester Rd. Chester, MA 01011 (413) 623-2155 COST: Free Books, tapes, statues, jewelry, tarot decks, candles, ritual tools, incense, oils, herbs, bumper stickers, pins, cauldrons, etc... (These folks have everything!) Cash, check, M.O., Visa, MC. *** Really Wild'n Mild Celts P.O. Box 280114 Dallas, TX 75228-1014 COST: SASE and $1.00 for info Celtic Gods & Goddesses and other celtic art. *** Worldwide Curio House Box 17095-L Minneapolis, MN 55417 COST: $2.00 for 3 catalogs or $3.00 Airmail fast delivery [Very entertaining catalogue. Variable quality. --Ceci] "Thousands of unusual items from around the world. Fascinating curios, jewelry, all you need for the Mystic Arts. Books, herbs, oils, incense, pure health products, engravings, talismans, gifts, and more." M.O.,Prsl. Chk. Credit card checks. *** Cat In The Moon P.O. Box 1174 Murdock, FL 33938 COST: $2.00 cash/stamps Crystal Balls, wands, herbs, oils, incense, books, tarot, sands, stones, crystals, ritual supplies, large line of jewelry and all your ritual needs. Check or M.O. *** Mckeown's Herbs & Carvings 6095 NW Harrison St. Coloma, MI 49038-9406 (616) 849-2211 COST: $2.50 USA/$5.00 foreign Herbs, oils, bodycare, books, natural health, pet care, incense, music, woodcarvings, Celtic lore & gifts. MC, Visa *** Ritual Creations P.O. Box 6394 Norfolk, VA 23508 COST: $3.00 Ritual robes and cloaks, embroidered alter, rune, and tarot cloths, embroidered ritual circles, and much more. Special orders always welcome. *** Sacred Rose Dept. LSCR P.O. Box 331389 Ft. Worth, TX 76163 COST: Free Magical jewelry, sacred oils, spiritual stones, powerful talismans, etc... *** Astro Notions P.O. Box 4255-NW Huntington Beach, CA 92605-4255 COST: $1.00 refundable w/order "Truly unique early astronomical art, imprinted shirts, bags, and other products." *** Cosmic Vision Ltd. 956 Hamilton St. Allentown, PA 18101 COST: $2.00 refundable w/order "Ancient wisdom archive & supply." *** Serpent's Occult Books P.O. Box 290644 Pt. Orange, Fl 32129 (904) 760-7675 COST: Free New and used occult books, scarce first editions, out of print books. *** Hamilton Box 1258-N Moorpark, CA 93021 COST: $3.00. Airmailed Unusual hard-to-find jewelry, books, talismans, essential oil, incense, tarot, tools, crystals, herbs, videos, robes, powder, kits, etc... Visa, MC *** Pyramid Books & the New-Age Collection P.O. Box 3333 Altid Park Chelmsford, MA 01824-0933 1-800-333-4220 Fax: 1-800-395-1220 COST: Free Jewelry, clothes, Native American items, aromatherapy candles, tarot, books, music, crystal balls, gifts, etc... Check, M.O., Visa, MC, Discover, AmEx. *** Gary's Gem Garden 128 Woodcrest Center Cherry Hill, N.J. 08003 (609) 795-5077 COST:SASE 2 page,printed list on both sides. No pictures. Just about every crystal, rock, mineral, etc.. Also several books on the subject. Prices seem fair for most. Visa,MC, Am EX, COD, Prsl.Chk, M.O. *** The Occult Emporium 102 North 9th Street Allentown, PA. 18102 (215) 433-3610 COST:$2. refunable I don't have this one yet. It's listed as selling occult books, curios, and supplies. ?method of payment? *** Shaughnessy's Adornments 2108 7th St. Bremerton WA 98312 (206) 377-1772 Lots of Pagan Appropriate jewelry, nice Erdas and other Goddess images among them. Also carry Pentagrams, fantasy influenced jewelry, many with semi-precious stones. Catalog coming some time this fall/winter season. Their motto is 'Affordable Finery for Prince or Pauper' ?method of payment? *** US Games Systems Inc. 179 Ludlow Street Stamford, CT 06902 USA Phone: 1-800-544-2637 Fax: 1-203-353-8431 COST: Free 48 pages, mostly with full colour illustrations. Ship overseas, US Games Systems probably have the world's largest assortment of tarot and tarot-like decks. The illustrations are mainly of the cover of the box for the tarot, so don't say much more than what you see in an occult shop (if you're lucky enough to have access to one). Unfortunately the captions don't say much more than the hype on the box either, so it's not a catalogue that tells you enough to know which deck to chose, just which decks exist, and some about their outer appearance. Slightly cheaper than Abyss in most cases. Visa, MC *** JBL Devotional Statues P. O. Box 163 Crozet, Virginia 22932-0163 COST:$3. refundable w/first order Recently issued a new catalogue. (I don't have it, this is on recommendation from a friend.) Vast range of deity statues including Celtic ones. MC/Visa/check *** Sorcerer's Apprentice 6-8 Burley Lodge Road Leeds, LS6 1QP Great Britain COST: 3.75 GBP Mail order only. Posts overseas. Ask for the "Teaching Catalogue". SA probably has more different incenses and oils than any other occult supplier (including Abyss). If you require something they don't already have, they make it to your specifications. They give discounts for large orders of the same item on request. The teaching catalogue contains some spells and tips for the beginning occultist. Prices are a bit on the steep side. Visa, MC *** BABA YAGA'S EMPORIUM 5114 Balcones Woods Dr., Ste. 307-358 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 795-0750 COST: Free Books, crystals, jewelry, tools, incense, music, astrological planners, etc... Personal Check, Money Order, Cashier's Check, Convience Check from all major Credit Cards *** Wheat Woven Figures Cora Hendershot 4326 S. E. Woodstock Blvd Box 489 Portland Or 97206 (503) 775-3209 or her partner Tori MacDOnald 2310 Pacheco Pl Santa Rosa CA 95401 (707) 527-9028 These ladies weave traditional House blessings, wheat sheaf figures of varying complexity. They are craft, and display at some malls, etc. But do most of their business mail order. THe figures vary in price depending on what you order, but are quite reasonable and well made in several senses of the word. ?method of payment? *** KnotPerfect Characters Dan & Holly Owens P.O. Box 665 Lake Stevens WA 98258 (206) 334-2185 These folks carve gnarled men and women's faces in the knots of decayed downed trees. THey are very powerful faces of the God and Goddess of the Greenwood, althoughthis comapny does not call them such. Price depends upon size. MC/VISA/check *** Craft Crafts Publication P.O. Box 441 Ponderay, ID 83852 A quarterly publication of Craft oriented designs in cross stitch. $13 per year. ?method of payment? *** Llewellyn Press P. O. 64383 St. Paul MN 55164-0383 1 800 THE-MOON Fax: (612) 291-1908 COST: $2.95 Their bi-monthly magazine is a glorified catalog. It does include excerpts for the books they are releasing, and includes ads for numerous companies, etc. Just order a book or two a year, and they will keep sending it to you. Although many of their titles are carried in chain bookstores, others are not, and for the isolated Pagan, this may be the best and most discreet way to order books. Visa, MC, Am Ex, Prsl Chk, MO *** Karen Everson Moongate Designs 44791 Windmill Drive Canton, MI 48187 (313) 451-6839 COST: $3. She sells books of cross stitch patterns for $6 that include such titles as Signs and SYmbols: Earth Religions, Celtic Knotwork, Celtic Knotwork borders, Trees in Magic and Heraldry, FLowers in Magis and Heraldry, and about ten books of heraldic magical beasties. ?method of payment? *** McNamara's Green P.O. Box 51188 Seattle Wa 98115 (206) 523-0306 COST: $2.00 Carries Celtic Jewelry, Pagan bumper stickers, books etc. ALso carries some Christian Mystic stuff, colored window decals, etc. MC/Visa/Check *** Kamala Perfumes 627.5 East Green Street Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 367-0207 Cost:$1.00 or URL: http://kamala.com/~kamala/kamala.html Hand-dipped Incense, essential oils and custom blends, hand-rolled beeswax candles, dried herbs, plus All NATURAL, hand-made body care products: massage oil, soap, shampoo, body powder, bath salt, skin care oils, and more! cash, checks, MC, Visa, Discover, AmEx *** Dancing Dragon-LLO 5670 west End Road,#4 Arcata, CA. 95521-9202 (707) 826-0186 cost:$2. I don't have this one. Listed as selling "the widest selection of dragon items anywhere". Sculptures, jewelry, posters, t-shirts, masks. ?method of payment? *** Halcyon Herb Co. 177 Webster St. Box 7153L Monterey, CA. 93940 cost:$5. refundable Very unique. Hand drawn and lettered catalog. An obvious labor of love. Mirrors, cloaks, staffs, brooms, oils, gowns of silk, peasant clothes,drums, rattles, runes, statues, most hand crafted. Visa, Prsl.Chk, M.O. *** Wolf, Fox, and Wren ?method of payment? P.O. Box 573 Humbolt, NE. 68376 COST: free 100% beeswax ritual candles, 8" male/female figure candles, 12" 5 pointed star, annointing oils, rune stones, candle magick kits, and they offer to make "ritual equipment" as well if you send a description. Prsl Check, money order. *** Celtic Folkworks R.D. 4, Box 210 Willow Grove Rd Newfield, N.J. 08344 609-691-5968 COST: Free [Oh, those sweaters! Lots of fine Celtic things, but a bit pricey. --Ceci] Many handcrafted Celtic items, including a set of wonderful Celtic wedding rings, reasonably priced. Check,MO,VISA,MC *** Museum Replicas Limited 2143 Gees Mill Rd. Box 840 Conyers, GA. 30207 1-800-883-8838, fax 1-404-388-0246 COST: $2.00 50pg color, Great catalog with replicas of most well known types of arms and armour. I can't vouch for the quality of the goods, but I've heard many good things about their wares. Also some clothing and jewelry. They also have some harder to find oddities like medieval utensils, poison rings, and good footwear. Check,MO,COD,Visa,MC,Discover, AmEx *** Kamala Essential Oils 712 W. Park Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 217/355-8555 (she accepts phone orders with Visa/MC) http://kamala.com/~kamala/kamala.html COST: ? [Fine selection, fair prices. --Ceci] She also has herbs, incense, massage oils, lotions, that kind of stuff. She has over 100 single oils, and over 50 blends. Visa/MC *** Ladyslipper PO Box 3124-R Durham, NC 27715 Street address: 613 Vickers Av, Durham NC (M-F 9-6) Orders: 800/634-6044 (M-F 9-6) (Visa/Mastercard) Customer Service: 919/683-1570 (M-F 9-6) Fax: 919/682-5601 (Anytime) COST: Free [Recommended for everyone who enjoys listening to music. Fair] [prices. Very good selection. --Ceci] Mail order catalog of music by women (and 2 pages of appropriate "Mehn's Music"). What looks especially good in this year's catalog -- Anne Williams' "Song of the Jaguar," Artemis College's "Songs to the Goddess," Desert Wind's "Return to the Goddess: Chants & Song," Gale Perrigo's "Never Again the Burning," Kay Gardner, Kenny & Tzipora, Kiva, Libana, Pomegranate, Ruth Barrett & Cyntia Smith, Selena Fox (a song & chant tape called "Songs of Pagan Folk"), Starhawk (talks and a trance journey tape)... And that's just a few examples from the Spirituality section. [Hey, you left out Happy Rhodes and Loreena McKennit! --Ceci] Visa, MC *** CAT Books HB Fanjunkaregatan 9 S-582 46 LINKOPING SWEDEN +46 (0) 13 27 44 63 COST: Free [They order what you want if they don't have it. --Ceci] Small free catalogue and small stock. Only books. Best Crowley and Qabalah stock in Sweden. COD, or proforma, only. *** Magickal Childe 35 W. 19th. St. New York, NY. 10011 (212) 242-7182 cost: free COST: ? Listed as hard core new age, but I've heard they have good kid's books. (**COMPILER'S COMMENTS: I've been to this store, and must say that it is a must see - the catalog does it no justice: immagine your archetypal occult store, and this is it :) [Questionable reputation. -Ed.] ?method of payment? *** Wild Wood 717 Spruce St. Boulder, CO. 80302 COST: $2.00 refundable Listed as selling incense, perfume, herbs, Tarot, spell kits, books, and more. ?method of payment? *** White Buffalow Native Herbs 1305 W. Wilbur Dept. 119B Milw., WI. 53221 cost: $2.00 Listed as "Native American owned and opperated". Smudging herbs, shamman's blend, Kinnikinik, sweet grass, and more. ?method of payment? *** Solar Crown Publishing Box 9513 N. Hollywood, CA. 91609 COST: SASE Listed as selling magic-oriented software, electronic books, Pagan buttons. ?method of payment? *** Marah P.O. Box 948 Madison, N.J. 07940 COST:$1.00 Listed as selling perfume, incense, runestones, lunar calandar, and other magical supplies. ?method of payment? *** Shadow Enterprises P.O. Box 18094 Columbus, OH. 43218 COST:$2.50 Listed as selling "a unique collection of books, products, rare collectables, jewelry, ritual tools, and other handcrafted one-of-a-kind items". ?method of payment? *** Imagine That! 5903 Queens Chapel Rd. Hyattsville, MD. 20782 1-800-223-5903 COST:$5. Haven't ordered this one yet. This is what the add says: Dragons & wizards & faries, oh, my! & castles with towers that reach to the sky & gallery services & framing, too & limited-edition prints for you & figurines & pewter & bronze & crystal balls to gaze upon & books & wildlife & bundles of fur & many strange things that just never were... Color brochure. Visa, MC. *** Hypno Vision Occult Shop Box 2192NWJ Halesite, NY. 11743 COST:$3. refundable Listed as selling amulets, talismans, crystal balls, robes, wands, chalices, pentacles, and scarabs. ?method of payment? *** P.O.T.O. 11002 Massachusetts Ave. Westwood, CA. 90025-3510 (310) 575-3717 COST:$5. Here's how they describe themselves: Procurer of the obscure. Friendly mail order company and more. Special orders and questions always welcome. Our catalog features tools and books of the Craft. Jewelry, gifts, networking, new age, rare books, herbs, & just a whole lot of magickal, wonderful items & services. ?method of payment? *** Cursive Serpent Products 2250 East Tropicana, Suite 19 Las Vegas, Nevada 89119 COST:$5. Calls itself the Aleister Crowley catalog. "The ultimate for all Al-meisters". ?method of payment? *** Dragonwood 27 Gap Rd. Black Hawk, CO. 80422 COST:free! Nordic oriented magickal incense. Thor's Hammer and more. ?method of payment? *** Moon Magick p.o. box 395 littleton, colorado 80160 303-321-0867 COST: $3.00 Herbs, essential oils, ritual incenses, books, dream pillows, crystal balls, astrology supplies, pewter chalices, jewelry, etc. tarot decks. V, MC, Choice, Prsl. Chk., M.O. *** Star River Productions the Great Goddess Collection p.o. box 6254 North Brunswick, NJ 08902 1-800-232-1733 COST: Free Mostly goddess statues and some jewelry, beautiful quality. Price rances from fair to pricey. ?method of payment? *** Sounds True Catalog 735 Walnut St. Dept. FC5 Boulder, CO 80302 800-333-9185 303-449-6229 COST: Free Over 250 transformational audio & video tapes. Call or write for free catalog. Visa, MC, AmEx, Discover, Prsnl Checks, M.O. *** Red Rose Collection P. O. Box 280140 San Francisco, CA 94128-0140 1-800-374-5505 COST: Free Has a New-agey feel to it but has lots of interesting stuff: oils, crystals, Goddess figurines, runes. A bit pricey. Visa, MC, AmEx, Discover, Prsnl Checks, M.O. *** Chinaberry 2780 Via Orange Way, Suite B Spring Valley, CA 91978 1-800-776-2242 (or, as they say, 619-670-5200 from Edinburgh, Corfu, Istanbul, etc.) COST: Free [Kids' stuff only. --Ceci] THE book catalog for families. 116 pages of great books for all ages! We've ordered from this and the service is *very* good. Chances are if you're a parent you've gotten this one already. Has a few audio recordings, including Libana's "A Circle is Cast". Visa, MC, Discover, Prsnl Chks, M.O. *** Gypsy Moon 1780 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02140 Store number (617) 876-7095 Customer service: (617) 876-6203 (10AM-4PM EST) COST: Free. Gypsy Moon in Cambridge, MA carries quite dramatic clothing. It also carries hand-made chain-mail items (belts, headdresses, gauntlets, etc.), an assortment of jewelry, aromatic oils, tapes of pagan music, etc., etc. It's a really neat store. The owners recently put out a catalogue (their first one, I think) from which you can order some of the clothing. BTW, the catalogue is all hand-drawn and the artwork is really nice. Visa, MC, Prsnl Chk. *** Salem West 4270 Groveport Rd. Obetz, OH 43207 (614)491-1252 (voice) COST: Free Great prices on herbs, incense, oils, bath crystals, candles, ritual items. Accepts cheques, but currently not credit cards. No overseas orders, mostly due to legal obscurity. ?method of payment? *** Eye of the Cat 3314 E. Broadway Lang Beach, CA, 90803 (213) 438-3569 COST: $5. refundable Minimum order for credit cards is $25. For shipped orders $5. Probably no overseas shipping. 2 catalogs, the "Exotic Herb Catalog" and the "Hermetic Supplies Catalog" The catalogs contain many items, just about anything you could want, and are informative to boot. Useful as short answer references. Visa, MC, Prsnl Chks, MO *** Thanks to all who have sent me additions to this list as well as payment and other information. Keep it coming guys! :-) I STILL have more catalogs to add, so look for next month's post. There's plenty here to keep you busy until then. Catalog blessings, Lisa, whose eyes gaze over when armed with credit card and 800 number -- Flaming takes up my valuable time. This is for all who qualify: Your intellect is akin to an intensely hot and humid day where clever ideas are like cool breezes- exceedingly rare, but refreshing when they actually occur. -L.