From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #5 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/5 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." RE: Re[B7L] EMail Junkie Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode [B7L] X Post Christmas Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." re:[B7L] Out of Death I was born re:[B7L] re E Mail Junkie [B7L] Og-Gan [B7L] Terror [B7L] Quiz Answers Re: [B7L] Slash debate [B7L] RE: Harvest of Kairos Re: [B7L] Re Terminal, and an apology [B7L] What happened to Auron after "Children of Auron" ? [B7L] GUARDS! GUARDS! - The play ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:41:43 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Message-ID: <1pXNbJAHWUs0EwMD@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <19980105192531.33400@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen writes even more about Gen and Simes. What are you lot babbling about? -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 23:13:13 UT From: "Anne Lane" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: Re[B7L] EMail Junkie Message-Id: Jackie wrote: >You can`t get "Friends & Family" on cable. Although I believe that if you > have cable TV and phone, local phone calls are free. In light of my > recent phone bill I will have to investigate that properly!! I got a Videotron line for the PC because they have free local calls to other Videotron numbers and supplied a list of ISP's on Videotron numbers. The line rental was only £4 pcm after the discount for joint TV and phone customer. I haven't got the e-mail working with the new ISP yet but free phone calls for web access mean I can log in for hours at a time without worry. Especially useful for connecting by telnet to the college where I'm doing a day-release course, plus the college dialup service is on a Videotron number. The snag? Videotron got taken over by Bell Cablemedia and is now called Cable & Wireless. Cable & Wireless has scrapped the free local calls for all new contracts. Changing your TV channels constitutes a new contract...Now they've effectively doubled our line rental in an effort to force us to change contracts - but we're holding out... I don't think we'll get free local calls in the UK unless big business can be convinced that free Internet calls for home users are commercially advantageous. Anne Lane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:43:59 -0800 From: Ovina Maria Feldman To: B7 Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Message-ID: <34B18C5F.B87BFA9@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meredith Dixon wrote: > Avon's a Sime, no question, and Tarrant and Cally and Vila are quick > and graceful enough to be Simes too. > > Gan and Blake are definitely Gens,... Have I missed something all together? What is a "SIME" and what is a "GEN"? -- C progamme run. C programme crash. C programmer quit. Return to COBOL. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:44:19 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode Message-ID: <19980106074419.27578@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jan 05, 1998 at 05:58:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote: > Actually, Iain, I find your feelings about the inappropriateness of > slashing B7 (or at least Blake and Avon) perfectly understandable, > because I feel that way myself about another, different fandom. I > won't name it because I'm hoping against hope that the slash fans > won't find it! The original product depicts an extremely intense > friendship between two men that is, however, very clearly not > sexual in nature. For me, adding sex would spoil the quality of > that relationship as it is. Now you've made me curious! Obviously it can't be "The Sentinal" because the slash fans have already been there... > Kathryn's argument against slash based on statistical probability > is one that I've heard before in a somewhat different form. I once > had a lengthy private e-mail discussion with a friend who said > that, given that roughly about 10% of the general population is > primarily homosexual (though I agree with Steve that it's really > probably a bit more than that), she could accept =one= of the main > series characters being gay or bi, but not two. So the only slash > stories she found believable were the ones that involved some other > minor or original character! She liked the treatment of Avon's > bisexuality in the Hellhound stories for this very reason. I've seen this "roughly 10%" figure bandied about, but I *don't* think it's "probably a bit more than that". Thing is, gayness isn't an on-off sort of thing, except in the question of whether it has been expressed or not (that is, the question "Have you had sex with a member of the same sex?" has a yes-or-no answer). As with zillions of things, there's genetics and environment, and environment plays a greater role in this than most people think. If you rate the "attractiveness of the same sex" then that is not an on-off thing but a range. There would be an extremely small number who would find the same sex 100% attractive, and others who would find it 70% attractive, and others who would find it 50% attractive and so on. That's the starting point, but you can't call someone who's in the 70% category "70% gay" - they could be happily married and love their wife, because they *choose* not to express that. On the other hand, there could be someone who finds the same sex 50% attractive, who chooses to be gay/lesb because they've had bad experiences with the opposite sex and good experiences with the same sex. This is a terribly permissive society, compared to the past, so the number of lesbigay people is naturally greater, that is, the number who've actually "done it". The number of people who would "do it" in this society is greater, and the number of people who would admit to doing it is greater, but that doesn't mean that the underlying inclinations are any greater at all. Secondly, a little note about Hellhound; I found the bi-ness of Avon there to be reasonable *because* the story provided a good reason for it; Avon had some horrible experiences with the same sex (Servalan) and was turned off women as a result. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:42:52 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] X Post Christmas Message-ID: <19980105.213625.11295.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> X Post Christmas Avon, Avon. What a guy! Kissed the girls then made them die. Hark ye! Heed my tale of woe... Don't hang up your mistletoe. Penny Kjelgaard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 06:00:22 GMT From: dixonm@access.mountain.net (Meredith Dixon) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Message-ID: <34b4c145.360903844@pharos.dixon.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:43:59 -0800, you wrote: >Have I missed something all together? What is a "SIME" and what is a >"GEN"? This thread concerns a series of fantasy novels by Jacqueline Lichtenberg and Jean Lorrah (some books only by Lichtenberg, who created the series, at least one only by Lorrah, and several by both of them). In this series, the human race has divided into two separate metabolic types: Sime and Gen. Gens produce selyn, life-energy, but are otherwise indistinguishable from ordinary humans. (It's tempting to assume that ordinary humans are Gens, but the two JLs are on record as saying that's not so. Ordinary humans are extinct, and are known to Simes and Gens as "The Ancients".) Simes need selyn to live, and they don't produce any of it. However, they can use selyn to do all sorts of things that Gens cannot; they can sense energy fields, for instance. They also have tentacles on each arm. Since animals don't produce selyn, and there's no synthetic substitute, Simes must obtain selyn from Gens in order to survive. How they do this changes over the course of the series. At first, Simes prey on Gens, hunting "wild Gens" like animals and rearing domesticated ones on Genfarms. Simes need to receive selyn at least once a month, oftener in pregnancy or illness. An untrained Sime kills an untrained Gen whenever he takes selyn from him/her, and most Simes believe that this is the natural order of things. Then some Simes ("channels") discover the ability to store selyn and redistribute it to other Simes. Gens in turn discover the ability to work with Simes, particularly channels, to be able to give their selyn without being killed. Voluntary organizations of Simes who live without killing and Gens who are their partners spring up; they're called Householdings, and they're discriminated against by the Simes who still kill. Later still, a totalitarian, regimented society (the Tecton) evolves in which Simes' selyn intake is strictly regulated by the government. The channels now work for the government, and are required to do so from the moment of first identification as a channel, and Simes are required to take transfer only at approved times and from approved people. An underground group springs up in opposition to this, claiming that most if not all Gens can learn to give selyn without being killed, and that Simes and Gens should be free to give and receive transfer as they please. This group is called the Distect. For obvious reasons, I was assuming our heroes would be Distect; they can hardly stop by a government-sanctioned Sime Center and check in for a transfer, after all. I haven't mentioned one angle which adds a lot of angst to the series. Children of both Simes and Gens are selyn-neutral and tentacleless. Just before puberty, they either "change over" and become Simes, or else they "establish" and become Gens. One-third of the children born to Sime parents establish; one-third of the children born to Gen parents change over. Simes born to Gens typically kill their parents, unless their parents kill them first, since Simes desperate for selyn lose awareness of everything *but* energy fields, and a Sime right after changeover is *really* desperate for selyn. Gens born to Simes in the pre-Tecton days are considered animals, changelings who just "looked like people as children.". If their parents need selyn badly at the time it happens (i.e., "are in need") they may kill them without realizing it; if not, then legally the youngsters must be sold to a non-family member for eventual use in the kill. Some families do try to evade this law, but there are stiff penalties (no adult Sime wants to admit that he/she has to kill a human being every month to survive). So the laws don't change till killing ceases to be the norm. As for how this all applies to Our Heroes, Simes are typically slender and quick and on the small side, also rather aggressive. Gens are typically large and slow and calm. Oh, and for those of you who are into sex scenes, Simes usually want to mate right after they've killed or received transfer. Meredith Dixon dixonm@access.mountain.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 06:11:59 GMT From: dixonm@access.mountain.net (Meredith Dixon) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Message-ID: <34b6c885.362760228@pharos.dixon.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:25:31 +1100, you wrote: >I don't really see why Vila couldn't be a Gen, though. Or are you saying >that without Sime senses, there's no way he could be as excellent a thief >as he is? Hmmm. He doesn't *feel* like a Sime, though. Yes, I was assuming that in a Sime/Gen world a Gen thief would have no chance. Sime senses would detect him, and there'd be tentacle-only locks and the like. Besides, he's dextrous and small. I agree that he doesn't have the typical Sime arrogance, though, or the predatory instincts. >Dayna doesn't need to be a Sime; just because she designs weapons doesn't >mean she has to be Sime. I expect Hal Mellanby was Gen. Dayna had better be a Sime, otherwise, at that point, she'll be the only Gen among a group of Simes, which won't be conducive to peace. >Servalan, of course, is Sime. Naturally. *And* she kills regularly, rather than entrusting her selyn supply to a channel. Is Travis Sime or Gen? Meredith Dixon dixonm@access.mountain.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:56:51 EST From: Ashton7 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode Message-ID: <697bbb8.34b1e3c5@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-05 21:22:53 EST, kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes: << This is a terribly permissive society, compared to the past, so the number of lesbigay people is naturally greater, that is, the number who've actually "done it". The number of people who would "do it" in this society is greater, and the number of people who would admit to doing it is greater, but that doesn't mean that the underlying inclinations are any greater at all. >> *This* is a "terribly permissive society"???? I beg to differ and differ strongly (although you're certainly entitled to feel anyway you please). In fact, in ancient times, even in early Christian times, many, many societies accepted bi-sexuality and homosexuality as the natural thing that it is. Among ancient Celtic warriors, before they were Christianized, it was the accepted thing that warriors slept together and it was, in fact, considered an insult for one man to refuse another. Just as one example... Annie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:56:04 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...." Message-ID: <19980106205604.36466@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 06:11:59AM +0000, Meredith Dixon wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:25:31 +1100, you wrote: > > >I don't really see why Vila couldn't be a Gen, though. Or are you saying > >that without Sime senses, there's no way he could be as excellent a thief > >as he is? Hmmm. He doesn't *feel* like a Sime, though. > > Yes, I was assuming that in a Sime/Gen world a Gen thief would have > no chance. Sime senses would detect him, and there'd be tentacle-only > locks and the like. Besides, he's dextrous and small. I agree that > he doesn't have the typical Sime arrogance, though, or the predatory > instincts. How about, he was born of Gen parents, (in a Gen conclave?) expected to be a Gen, but he changed over instead, thus he doesn't have the Sime arrogance, and doesn't wish to have the predatory instincts? Blake would definitely be Distect in politics; yet another source of conflict. > >Dayna doesn't need to be a Sime; just because she designs weapons doesn't > >mean she has to be Sime. I expect Hal Mellanby was Gen. > > Dayna had better be a Sime, otherwise, at that point, she'll be the > only Gen among a group of Simes, which won't be conducive to peace. And she doesn't have the charisma for it like Blake did? > >Servalan, of course, is Sime. > > Naturally. *And* she kills regularly, rather than entrusting her selyn > supply to a channel. I don't think a Sime/Gen Federation would be like the Tecton; perhaps one reason why the Federation is into conquering is the neverending search for more Gens... (Yes, assumption that planets had been settled by Simes and Gens, not by Ancients) Some planets could well be Gen enclaves, but the Federation would be Sime-dominated. There would obviously have to be a Channel distribution system in place, or the Federation would have succumbed to Zelerod's Doom long ago, but I expect that killing isn't illegal either. It's just really really expensive. Choice kills. Ohnj Verlis probably didn't (just) deal in slaves, but in Gens. Gen relatives of deserters would not be sent to the slave pits, they would be sent to the Gen pits; not for death, but to be milked by the government Channels until they died. Gens would be second-class citizens, but I don't think they would be classed as non-persons. All channels would be forced to work for the government - but Cally, not being a Federation citizen, would have received different Channel training, Distect-style training. Well, Auron-style training, whatever that was. > Is Travis Sime or Gen? Travis I or Travis II? (-8 Because Travis I definitely feels like a Sime, but I'm not so sure about Travis II. Of course, if Travis was Sime, then losing his arm would probably have killed him, since he wouldn't be able to take transfer very easily with only one arm. This is fun! Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tak: What will Dr Bellfriar do with it, sir? Tynus: He'll bring it back to his laboratories and analyse it. Then he'll analyse what he's analysed. I could never understand why a scientist of his eminence should choose to bury himself here. (Blake's 7: Killer [B7]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:22:33 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] Out of Death I was born Message-ID: <34B27669.3EB3@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meredith Dixon wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:47:08 +1100, Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > >A whole bag of Gens? Maybe they were Liliputian Gens. > >And to think, Avon and Tarrant were secretly Simes all this time! > >Hmmm, puts another slant on that "kiss of death" don't it? > > Avon's a Sime, no question, and Tarrant and Cally and Vila are quick > and graceful enough to be Simes too. > > Gan and Blake are definitely Gens, and when Blake gets worked up about > something he influences the ambient nager on the Liberator. This is > why Avon keeps feeling that Blake is manipulating them...he is. > Whether he's doing so consciously or unconsciously can be decided by > your interpretation of Blake. > > I'm less sure about the others. I think Jenna must be Sime also, > otherwise the Blake-Avon-Jenna dynamic of the first season wouldn't > work out well at all. (I know I just said I don't care for explicit > sex, but I can just see a story in which Avon and Jenna (nearly?) > come to blows because they both want to take transfer from Blake.) > > Hm. There's a problem here, though. That gives us Avon, Jenna, Cally > and Vila as Simes, and only Gan and Blake as Gens. And I can't see > any of those four as a channel, can you? Cally's definitely a Sime. > Avon's definitely a Sime. So either Jenna or Vila has to be Gen. I > guess it's got to be Jenna after all; in a Sime-Gen world, I can't see > a Gen succeeding as a thief. > > So, Avon, Cally, and Vila are Simes, Blake, Jenna and Gan are Gens. > Orac doesn't affect the equation, but Gan's death certainly does. > They probably raid off-ship while they're looking for Star One. > > At the start of the third season, we still have Avon, Cally and Vila, > and they're joined by Tarrant and Dayna. Tarrant's a Sime, and I'd > assume that weapons-specialist Dayna is also. And naturally Soolin > is, too. This in itself goes a long way toward explaining the > difference between the first two seasons and the second two...first > and second season, they're a balanced set of transfer partners; third > and fourth seasons they're a hunting pack of Sime raiders. > > You know, this *works*. :) > > Meredith Dixon Please forgive my ignorance, but what are *Sines* and *Gens*? as what you are talking about sounds very interesting. Sorry for being a pain. Ta Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:06:46 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] re E Mail Junkie Message-ID: <34B280C6.6A68@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anne Lane wrote: > > Jackie wrote: > >You can`t get "Friends & Family" on cable. Although I believe that if you > > have cable TV and phone, local phone calls are free. In light of my > > recent phone bill I will have to investigate that properly!! > > I got a Videotron line for the PC because they have free local calls to other > Videotron numbers and supplied a list of ISP's on Videotron numbers. The line > rental was only £4 pcm after the discount for joint TV and phone customer. > > I haven't got the e-mail working with the new ISP yet but free phone calls for > web access mean I can log in for hours at a time without worry. Especially > useful for connecting by telnet to the college where I'm doing a day-release > course, plus the college dialup service is on a Videotron number. > > The snag? Videotron got taken over by Bell Cablemedia and is now called Cable > & Wireless. Cable & Wireless has scrapped the free local calls for all new > contracts. Changing your TV channels constitutes a new contract...Now they've > effectively doubled our line rental in an effort to force us to change > contracts - but we're holding out... > > I don't think we'll get free local calls in the UK unless big business can be > convinced that free Internet calls for home users are commercially > advantageous. > > Anne Lane Cable and Wireless took over our local cable company as well - it used to be NYNEX. Bye for now Jackie PS does it make you an E-Mail junkie, if you log on on christmas day, and ask "where is everyone?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:01:06 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Og-Gan Message-Id: <19850505MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Pat P had said: "ohmagawd! For a story that *no one's* ever written before, try: Og/Gan!" To which I said: "Don't tempt me. I would if I could work out a believable way Gan could still be alive when Og turned up. I'd probably get flamed though if I posted it on this list." Julia Jones suggested I revive the Black Round Robin on Space City and put it there, but Heather Smith said: "Please! Write it! Write it now! Getting thinking boyoh!" Well I've written it. It's fairly short, but decided it would be more suited to Space City than here, so I've posted it there. However, if anybody wants a copy I'll send it to them. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:43:53 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Terror Message-Id: <19853404MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Just before Christmas, new video label Satanica released in the UK the 1978 horror movie Terror, which included Glynis Barber in one of her early roles. As Glynis plays the killer's first victim, she is only in the early part of the film. Yet her pulling power and that of a certain TV show we all like obvioulsy influenced Satanica, because the front cover of the video, directly under the film's title, is the line "Starring Glynis Barber from Blake's 7". No other actors are mentioned on the front. This is despite Glynis not being the main star and B7 not being her most famous role. They obviously consider B7 fans to be major buyers of horror movies. I know I am, but I wouldn't have thought it was true in general. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:38:15 EST From: AChevron To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Quiz Answers Message-ID: <4729ad30.34b25df9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Below is a repeat of the quotes from the quiz, followed by the answers. 1) " For a little man I'm a wonderful mover." 2) " there is no rational basis for the concept you call luck." 3) " There are so many unscrupulous fortune seekers at large." 4) " Difficult to reason with a bomb." 5) "That's one way to become a hunted man; trust the powerful." 6) "The Officer Corps will forgive anything it can understand, which makes intellegence about the only sin." 7) " Hope is very dangerous." 8) " No true bid for peace was born from coersion." 9) "Counting yourself, that makes two people who think you are wonderful." 10) "yes, I'm impressed." " WOnderful. That makes it all worthwhile." 11) "Natural leaders are rarely encumbered with intellegence." 12) " A pro keeps it simple." 13) "Then it's dead stupid of us to go there, right? Dead being the operative word." 14) "If you don't want the answer, you shouldn''t ask the question." 15) "I'm going to be a big handicap." " I'm used to that." 16) "It always feels personal when someone tries to kill me." 17) "The art of leadership is delegation." 18) "Reality is a dangerous concept." 19) "I'm in Hell and it's full of Avons." 20) " Responcibility is something I have never avoided." 21) "There's no law for the rich..." 22) " Incidental? That'll look good on my gravestone." 23) "It's the kind of natural stupidity that no amount of training could ever hope to match." 24) "you can't afford to be choosy now." " Why else would I be talking to you?" 25) "A strategic withdrawal is running away, but with dignity." 26) "I should hate to be eaten by anything stupid." 27) "Attack is the best method of defense." 28) " Assasination has always been a legitimate tool of statecraft." 29) " "I make one false move, I'll be so crisped up what's left of me won't fit into a sandwhich." " I'm a vegetarian. Thanks for the offer though." 30) "No hand is a winning hand until it's played." And the answers... 1) Vila, to Kerril, City on the Edge... 2) Orac, to Blake, Weapon 3) Servalan, to Auron Pilot, Children of Auron 4) Vila, to Crew on Deck, Star One 5) Jenna, to Blake, Duel 6) Carnell, to messenger Officer, Weapon 7) Servalan, to Travis, Project Avalon 8) LeGrand, to Nagu. Voices from... 9) Vila, to Avon, Deliverance 10) Avon, Vila, City on the Edge... 11) Egrorian, to Avon, Orbit 12) Largo, to Jenna,Avon,Blake, Shadow 13) Vila, to Scorpio crew, Animals 14) Avon, to Pella, Power 15) Vila, Avon, Pressure Point 16) Vila, answering Avon, Redemption 17) Orac, to Avon, Traitor 18) Dr. Havant, to Blake, The Way Back 19) VIla, to Avon, Dawn of... 20) Servalan, to Rontaine, Seek, Locate, Destroy 21) Grenlee, to Forres, Rumours... 22) Vila, to Dayna, Sarcophogus 23) Avon, about Gan, directed to crew on deck, Shadow 24) Vila, Jenna, Spacefall 25) Tarrant, to Vila and crew, Blake 26) Vila, to Blake and Avon, Time Squad 27) Belkov, to Gambit, Games 28) Sarkoff, to Blake, Bounty 29) Avon, Vila, Killer 30) Servalan, to Belkov, Games Hope you enjoyed it:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:24:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Russ Massey wrote: > I think the key phrase in Neil's article was his musing on men being > emotionally 'mis-humanised' in slash in a similar way that women are > physically and mentally dehumanised in male-written porn. It might be less > offensive to the men being distorted, but it still makes me raise an eyebrow in > the same way I do when someone writes about a 40lb broadsword. > I remember reading that, and thinking the parallels were if anything closer than Neil was making out. After all, in male-written porn the female characters are generally acting of their own free will, just in a way which is, shall we say, atypical. (Or maybe I just don't get invited to those sorts of parties.) A common pattern ("storyline" is perhaps too strong a word) is a monogamous woman realising that deep down she wants to be shamelessly promiscuous, acting on these feelings and being much happier for it. > > > Ouch. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:09:55 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: Harvest of Kairos Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I myself just watched the episode last Friday and I truly loved it. My favorite points were the whole mystery with the sopron, and Tarrant's annoyance with it. I like how Avon gets completely absorbed in it, and doesn't really seem to care about what the others are doing. One thing I'd like to point out, though, is that I never really bought the Cally/Avon fling before watching the third season. After I saw "Volcano" I kind of put my head in my hands and said "Hmm, now what is that look about? It can't really mean that Avon is so concerned about Cally's welfare, can it? There has to be a deeper meaning in that look." I'm talking about the scene where Vila is helping himself to some adrenalin and soma after Commander Mori has left by teleport taking Orac and Cally with him. Avon: What's happening? Vila: All gone. Avon: Orac? Vila: Gone as well. Cheers. Avon: The battle fleet? Vila: Ran away. Expect they'll be back. Avon: Cally? (At this point an extremely concerned look crosses his face, one I didn't think he'd be capable of) Vila: They took her when the took Orac. Avon: A mess. Then, in The Harvest of Kairos, when Avon wants Cally to examine the sopron, he's sitting a little closer than necessary (don't you think? why doesn't he sit in the chair instead of on the arm rest...maybe he wants to make sure Cally stays there, or is there another reason?) Then, when Cally tries to run away, Avon grabs her, then Tarrant comes in and yells, "Is this the time or the place?" In my mind indicating that he thinks they are engaging in something romantic (possibly) and is angry because they are under attack. Maybe it's just my overjeolous nature where Avon is concerned; who knows? Grace Robbins robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 21:14 GMT0 From: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gary Marden) To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Cc: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk Subject: Re: [B7L] Re Terminal, and an apology Message-Id: In-Reply-To: > The two episodes are in contradiction here. It doesn't > foillow that Ensor immediately went into hiding but gee, > to take twenty years to get around to something! Also, > his son looks older than 24 but maybe Hovell's Radiation.. Perhaps Avon was being deliberately inaccurate, to find out whether Dorian really had known Ensor by tripping him up over a detail like that? Gary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 21:14 GMT0 From: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gary Marden) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk Subject: [B7L] What happened to Auron after "Children of Auron" ? Message-Id: Once Servalan's pathogen had killed off virtually all of the Auronar what happened to the planet? Servalan makes some comments early on about "changed imperatives" but doesn't really go into any further details about her plans for the planet. She does say that her primary objective in infecting the planet is to sieze the Liberator and that the cloning facilities were just a bonus but surely even Servalan wouldn't go to these extremes? So, what happened afterwards? Did the Federation colonise or plunder Auron once the pathogen had dissipated or was it just left to rot? Incidentally, isn't that Genka a blood-thirsty sadistic little bastard? Gary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:50:57 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] GUARDS! GUARDS! - The play Message-ID: This turned up in alt.fan.pratchett this evening, much to my amusement since I posted the same information plus details of the Newcastle venue three weeks ago. However, it does have a website address which may be useful - I haven't been to look. In article <34B310C0.C6E@paston.co.uk>, Mike writes >The long(?) awaited stage version of GUARDS! GUARDS! (sorry for >shouting), adapted by Geoffrey Cush, starring Paul Darrow (from Blake's >Seven) will (may) be hitting a Theatre near you (if you live in the UK, >that is.....) from April onwards.... > >If you live near Blackpool, Hackney, Newcastle, Norwich, Hull, >Stevenage or Eastbourne (more to follow later) then you will have less >to travel than if you don't... or just harrass your local theatre >manager to get it! > >More details will be posted here, or on the soon to be updated site at > > uktw.co.uk/info/guards.htm -- Julia Jones Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #5 ************************************